I found this 1999 interview conversation with Rick Martin and Credo Mutawa, the South African Zulu shaman, who was also interviewed and made famous by David Icke many years ago. In this interview Credo talks about his abduction experience by the Mantidines, a Grey/Mantis like being with black eyes, but beneath the black eye caps are snake like irises. He also speaks about the Chitauri, who are known to most of us as Reptilians, highly intelligent and aggressive lizard beings who live underground. (Who are also known to sacrifice humans, and drink their blood, among other things.) He speaks of the white skinned aliens the Africans called Wasungu, who appeared to Africans in Boomerang shaped UFO/space craft long before the European Whites came to Africa.
What I found interesting was his mention of the ancient Copper Underground City, where Jabulon, the leader of the Chitauri allegedly lives. According to Credo Mutwa, “We believe that Jabulon is the leader of the Chitauri. He is the Old One. And one of his names, in the African language, sir, is Umbaba-Samahongo – “the lord king, the great father of the terrible eyes” – because we believe that Jabulon has got one eye which, if he opens it, you die if he looks at you.
It is said, sir, the Umbaba ran away from an eastern land during a power struggle with one of his sons, and he took refuge in Central Africa, where he hides in a cave, deep underground. And it is an amazing thing, sir – it is said that under the Mountains of the Moon in Zaire (Congo) is this great city of copper, of many thousands of shining buildings.
There dwells the god Umbaba or Jabulon. And this god is waiting for the day when the surface of the Earth will be cleared of human beings so that he, and his children, the Chitauri, can come out and enjoy the heat of the Sun.
And, one day, sir, I had a very unexpected visit while I was living in Soweto, near Johannesburg. I was visited by priests from Tibet.
One of these priests, I’m sure you have met him or you know of him. His name is Akyong Rinpochce.
He is one of the leading Tibetan priests in England who was exiled with the Dalai Lama, and he visited me one day while I was in my medicinal village in Soweto. And one of the things that Akyong Rinpochce asked me was, “Do I know of a secret city which is somewhere in Africa, a city made of copper?”
I said, “But, Akyong, you are describing the city of Umbaba, the city of the unseen god, the god who hides underground. How do you know about this?” And Akyong Rinpochce, who is a very serious investigator of strange phenomena, told me that at one time the great Lama left Tibet with a group of followers and came to Africa searching for this city.
And the Lama, and his followers, were never seen again.
They never returned back to Tibet.”
I couldn’t stop but wonder if the Tibetan Rinpoche was seeking the legendary Copperland Mountain(s) where the great Padmasambava supposedly retired to. I personally spoke with a Nyingmapa Lama while living in the San Diego area several years ago and asked about the Land of Origin, which is also known as this secret Copperland Mountain where the legendary Padmasambava lived. He told me he thought this place may be somewhere near the mountainous region of Afganistan.
Anyway, Credo Mutwa is hopeful for our future even though it is quite apparent that humanity is dealing with a predatory, manipulative and downright dangerous alien presence, who has been behind the scenes of humanity for thousands of years, creating chaos, mayhem, divide and conquer tactics.
“Credo Mutwa: We will overcome, we will overcome, but skeptics must stop laughing, and fools must stop calling these aliens, god.
There is only ONE God, and
He or She or It, is the One who created us, and not some impostor, who came from somewhere else, to hide behind us, and to drink our children’s blood. Amen, sir.”
The whole interview–which is a must read– can be found on the Rumor Mills Web site at: