Interview with a Female Milab and Project Avalon Member

By Eve Lorgen

This is an informal written interview of a female “milab” abductee whom I recently became acquainted with via my research. She prefers to maintain her anonymity at this time and suggests her name as only, a “Project Avalon Forum Member”.

I became interested in her experiences and opinions because she has been actively engaged in over two decades of healing and recovery work. She has recovered much memory and understanding of her experiences, especially the methodology which was used to find and create paranormal abilities.  She also asserts to the liaison of alien and human military involvement in a co-created project to produce operatives with supernatural abilities like remote viewing, time folding, bi-location and clairvoyant faculties.  What I find is that with true healing and recovery, experiencers of such projects no longer cater to the “entertainment” angle or the popular opinion aspect of the Paranormal/Conspiracy/UFO community circles. Healing, recovery and awareness work takes a sober, dedicated individual who learns to trust inner wisdom. Inner wisdom is not some “program of belief” or ego based defense system, but listening to the heart and dealing with the emotions carried through traumas. From what I have gathered with many wise experiencers who have done their own healing work, authentic awareness and self discovery does not happen with a single quick fix method of “healing”. It takes years of emotional processing, letting go of beliefs and behaviors which no longer work, while maintaining an inner core of truth and dedication to integrity on all levels.

1. When did you discover you were a “milab” abductee?

I would not say that I “discovered”, rather that I have always had memories that were attached to the military and abduction from an early age.  The term “milab” is something that I’ve gotten used to over the last five years.  While doing research on people like myself, I realized that the term applied.  The memories that I speak of are attached to an elementary school located in upstate New York, where I grew up for the first 8 years of my life.  Not only were kids like myself pulled from classes and tested for psychic abilities, but also kids were tagged by the military due to creativity, intelligence, and hearing abilities.  A white van would park outside the school, unmarked, with testing equipment for hearing, the other tests were done in the school with the acquiescence of the principal (who later was fired under allegations of child molestation). The army base that was involved in this (early 1970’s) resided only about a mile away.  Access to children, for them, was a non-issue.

Did this also involve alien visitations of various kinds?

Yes, my very first abduction memory, which actually occurred before I started elementary school (at the age of 4 years old) involved the Navy as well as an alien element.  In this memory I was taken from my bed to a small submarine by men.  These men then experimented upon me using drugs and torture methods to induce my leaving my body.  Once this was accomplished, I came into direct contact with what one would call Mantid/Grey intelligence.  This creature, which I could see clearly out of body, was overseeing the project with great interest.  I was informed by this intelligence that I was to return to my body as the experiment had been a success.  In later years I recall with clarity subsequent incidences which involved both military and aliens seemingly working together physically.

 

2. What discoveries did you make about your own family history in regards to why you were chosen for this project?

My family has a strong military background. Navy on both sides. This seems to be an element that may have some indication of a family history. Also, I’ve done research into the bloodlines of Milabs, and there is a pattern that includes Native American Indian mixed with Celtic heritage. My grandmother was of native blood, and the rest of my heritage includes Viking as well as a family coat of arms dating back to England and Wales.  Another significant aspect is that the women in my family were considered psychic or sensitive on the Viking side.  On top of this, both sides of the family were Masonic.

 

3. Are you aware of any official project name for what you were involved in for “milab operations or experimentation?

The only project name that I recall is “Bluebird”, though I do not know if this was the project name, or the name that I was given. Children were taken in large groups as well, we were separated by talents in clothing (matching paper gowns, foot socks, and pants)  The group I was in wore hospital blue, there was also a green and red group.

 

4. Did you have early childhood abuse from family, that you believe is related to being in a “project”?

Yes.  Abuse and access to children for experimentation seem to walk hand in hand.  Not only are children abused by their abductors, yet also families seem to have a history that is related to such abuse. Perhaps this is generational and by design. There seems to be a relationship to sexual abuse, energy transference into entities, and families. Sexual stimulation was also used to induce an out of body experience. Feelings of helplessness and fear create adrenalin which also quickens psychic awareness and induces a state of altered consciousness. Altered states of consciousness are fundamental to teach remote viewing, time folding, and the ability to leave ones body at will.

 

5. What about the occult or ritual element, was this present in any of your experiences?

I have several memories of masonic experiences, which are rather occult and ritualistic.  However, I consider myself fortunate to not have had the experience of being raised by satanists or people who were cognitively seeking stronger links to darker forces.  There certainly is a darker element involved with this type of abduction experience.  The puppet masters may actually be one in the same when discussing Reptilian aspects, however, rather then being “black magic” oriented, my experiences have had a very clinical nature to them.  They have always been scientific and militaristic in embodiment, sterile, and cold.  However, this does not exclude the fact that nefarious forces take notice of gifted people; and the converse is also true, gifted people take notice of nefarious forces.  IMO black magic is a tool that has been used, and used effectively with milabs, It also comes with a price.  I have had encounters that could be established as attacks from ritualistic magic, and have seen things that would be considered dark occult in nature.  There is a link here that I feel needs to be considered.

 

6. What kinds of beings, whether alien/ET or inter or extra dimensional, were involved in your abduction related experiences?

Human-like beings, some with long dark hair and others with cloth upon their heads, one being that was seemingly a giant (though these may all be screen memories implanted by the military, it’s important to be open minded about this), I’ve seen a Reptilian, ones that would be called Greys, Mantid, also smaller whiter beings similar to greys but with smaller expressive eyes.  Also very small creatures with interesting technology.  It’s been a rather mixed bag.  Some claim to be “helping” while others are doing a job with very human military people with them.  I was rather young when I saw the Reptilian, I was shocked and bewildered after the internet became a household tool. There I found others who described similar beings.  It seems to be more then just coincidental that so many are able to describe these visitors in such detail and similarity.

 

7. Were you ever told by these beings, or humans, medical, etc., that you have been genetically modified or are of some sort of “hybrid status”. Or what they call “augmented”?

No. Though the term “special” was often used.

 

8. Do you have any unusual medical or physical attributes that you consider “alien or hybrid?”

No, unless you would consider poor health and a lifelong battle with allergies to be unusual.  I’m a very pale nordic-looking female.  Tall and slender.  I’ve been told that I appear alien, but that is not unusual considering my heritage.  One interesting finding that I recently discovered while doing resonance therapy was that I tested positive for a “Kuru” bacteria that was rather ancient and not supposed to exist in modern times.  This was with Resonance testing which was created by Dr. Voll.  The practitioner said that this can happen to people who are remote viewers, they can pick up viruses and bacteria from the past and bring it back with them.  I do not know if there is any validity to this, however, I do find it interesting.

 

9. What kinds of abilities did you discover you had that were not “average”?

I’m a visual artist.  My IQ is above average.  I have an innate understanding of quantum physics. I remote view and am considered to be psychic.  I’m what you would call “sensitive”.

 

10. How were you instructed or trained to utilize these “abilities” in milab experimentation or operations?

Unfortunately, the military uses rather crude methodologies to get results.  There is nothing finely crafted nor subtle about how this is accomplished, at least not in my era.  Torture, drugs, psychological trickery, trauma and more are all utilized to accomplish any given goal.  For example, a person could be placed out in the middle of a mine field and then told to find their way back to safety using only their abilities to detect where not to step foot.  Another scenario is a group training where people are locked into a warehouse and they must work as a team to escape, this is to ascertain who works well together, who has leadership qualities, what a person can take physically etc.  In terms of training, lies are utilized.  For example, I would be given a picture and asked to find the person in the picture.  I would remote view with others the site and astrally lead them to their goal.  However, what would happen next could be nothing short of murder.  This I was never told, but I hung around once and discovered this was indeed the case.  For a child, innocence is used as a way to coercion.  The military knows through profiling who would pull a trigger and who would not.  I would not.  As I would not willingly lead anyone to harm, rather a keen sense of loyalty and a need to help others were used as tools to get me to do what they wanted.  The desire to be loved and complimented is also a strong force.

Did you ever observe cloned people or hybrid alien humans?

Yes.  I believe that I had an experience with a hybrid at a gallery that I owned.  It was an unusual conversation.  The woman was very tall, and had incredibly thin hair that barely covered her head.  Her face seemed out of proportion, like a person who has had too much plastic surgery.  I remember looking up from my desk and there she was, asking me if I was happy and fulfilled in my current position… it was a very unusual conversation.  I noted that I had to really concentrate on her words, as I was effected by her and put into an altered state.  As soon as she left my, brain wanted to forget the interaction, yet I held on to it.  Still it is fractal and not clear what she was telling me.  I will never forget that.  She seemed to just vanish when she walked out the door.  It was very unusual.

 

11. Are you aware of any compartmentalized alter personalities that were created with specific abilities? And did you remember how these personalities were “created”?

Yes and no.  I was strapped into a chair and tortured until my mind fractured.  I remember that I created hallways and closets in my mind with doors that led to emotions.  Each door had a label or a number.  Since then, I’ve opened up the doors and reintegrated these fractured parts of myself.  I’m not trying to be glib about this, this process took 20 years of hard work.  “Abilities” is not the right word, persona is more to the mark.  Each persona had an emotional aspect, each emotional aspect would be able to preform tasks.  For example, if one was in a mine field then you would not embody the emotion of fear, rather a calm and solid state without emotion would be most effective.  However, where does the fear go then?  Into the closet.  Either way, the “ability” to detect mines could be compromised by an emotional state.  For me personally, it was always about controlling emotions, not compartmentalizing abilities. However, this is my own personal experience.  I have no doubt that the manchurian candidate scenario is a unfortunate truth for others.

 

12. Have you ever experienced bi location accidentally or in the framework of being “trained by your abductors” in milab operations or ET related experiences?

I have to laugh.  This is a very loaded question.  During this interview I have been very cautious (sorry) due to the understanding that what I say has a certain retribution.  Milabs in general know this.  We put our necks out and things happen.  These things can be very difficult, I know I’m being vague here but it can be targeting, emotional trauma, and physical targeting that is rather dangerous.  However, I would like to discuss what I call the “change”.  The change is related to a change in location for me personally which also encompassed a change technologically in how these interactions occurred. Which has a great deal to do with bio-location.  In my personal experience, this change occurred in the 1980’s.

In the 1980’s I had the misfortune to be taken regularly by a group that my have had military interactions, but they seemed to be more human experimenters, doctors who had the ability to bio-locate to continue these experiments on a completely different level.  Meaning:  At first I was being physically taken by military that were mostly Navy, then, when my family moved to another location, a very different type of abduction began to occur. This may be due to being closer to an area where this tech was being used or it may be due to technology that was gained during that era, or both.

For example, literally my room would melt when I was going to sleep.  Melt. In describing this everything would turn white, people would “appear” in my room and then encircle my bed.  These people were now not necessarily military, but were all white coated lab techs/ doctors.  My bed would turn into a very sterile stainless steal bed, all of this would occur while I was wide awake.  I could, in the initial beginnings of this transference, get up and go to the bathroom for example, but then upon returning to my bed, the transmutation of reality would occur rather quickly and continue again.  This was very different from the military abductions that I had experienced earlier and also the ET abductions where I was taken to a craft and had more interactions.  This was an entirely different world than the physical abductions that I was used to.

The abduction technology, which I was familiar with, where an ET could enter through walls, closed windows etc., was IMO being utilized by humans.  Human people knew how to do this and were/are doing this.  So in answer to your query, Yes.  Physical and astral– both.  Perhaps it is difficult to know which is what.  This is where the physical aspects of “BEING” come into question.  Timelines distort, and a person can be placed in the past, present or future… it’s hard to describe, yet I know the truth of this.

Now this “change” really encompassed more.  Also, I noted that I could be suddenly needing a nap for instance (which I believe was a programmed response), I would lay down and find that I would be “pulled in” to a scenario that was using me for a Remote Viewing operation.  Now, this means that we can be taken out of our bodies by another group through their will.  This is concerning.  I’m not meaning to scare anyone, but this needs to be discussed.

Another aspect is being placed into an alien body to perform tasks off world… this was also a part of my experience.  During this experience humans were working with ET’s together to perform tasks, tasks that could be performed by an ET body safely, but a human mind was needed to complete the task in a human way.  There was some type of agreement that enabled this, but for me, I was only a child and so I was just doing as I was told.

These experiences have lessoned as I’ve gotten older to a great degree. Assets are used until they are no longer useful. Yet also, I’ve stepped up my abilities and used what i’ve been taught against the very format that I was brought into. I RV my own experience now.  This does not mean that I am safe by any means, just that I’m in a cognitive struggle to retain my own independence.

 

13. What about telepathy between humans in abductions/experiences or in “real life/physical life” situations?

I have noted that we can recognize each other.  This can be due to being part of a same grouping, or perhaps it’s just that we can tie into each other on a psychic way.  It’s one of my talents, to be able to read people, but I feel a pressure and a familiarity when I walk on the street and feel another that has been used cognitively or not in these experimentations.  A lot of people do not even realize that this is a part of their reality, that’s another can of worms.

 

14. What are your opinions on the latest revelations by Simon Parkes (Kerry Cassidy interview this summer in UK) with reference to some ET beings wanting to ascend, and his general overview of the abduction and milab issue?

Simon is admittedly under the guidance of what he calls the Mantids.  He also states that he is “reptilian” in nature or soul.  In dealing with anyone who has such a strong identification with another race I would advise caution.  What a person can trust is one’s own sovereignty and autonomy.  Think for yourself always and use such interviews as indications of information that may be either accepted or discarded using one’s own discernment.  In order to do this effectively, you need to take an active participation in discernment by taking the time to study.  If you (the reader) are a person who believes all that you hear;  you are selling yourself short.  As to the ascension issue, it is interesting to hear the terms “riding on the backs” of other humans.  Reminds me of entity attachment, which is parasitical in nature.  However, the idea that races need to advance (and I would include humans in this) as we all stand to make room for spiritual improvement, is interesting.  True or not?  Simon believes his own truth and what he is told by mantids.  I believe my own truth, however, I’m open to new information and open to the idea that not only have I had to go through programming, but I am continually dealing with programming issues either through basic media or through my own experiences.  We need to always question everything, including ourselves.  That takes courage and the willingness to personally change your beliefs if need be.  Each individual will have a perception that differs from another.  This is based on our experiences.  Simon is a product of his experiences and an interesting person to study.

15. Have you had any experience with the targeting technologies to thwart your healing and awareness process, which is not ” a program”, but some external applied technology or interference?  Or have you experiences a “love bite” disruption or having disrupter agents sent in to derail your awakening, etc.?

Yes, I’m currently being treated for EMF over-exposure, which is unfortunately a tactic that is used often with targeted individuals. There are a few methods that I’ve found helpful, ie:  Copper coils shaped like the letter “G” beneath my mattress and also surrounding my bedroom with copper wire.  A friend recently suggested homeopathic gold, which I am rather excited  to try.  I meditate and use methods of energy circulation that I learned through reading Mantak Chia’s books.  However, as much as I try to prop myself up, the fact is that this constant vigilance can be exhausting at times.  I am always experimenting.

As to handlers and or disrupter agents, life is full of them.  Due to programming anyone can be used to accomplish this.  Frequencies in people can be manipulated just as easily as electrical frequencies in cars.  My husband and I are very careful to negotiate rather then argue, which is thankfully in our natures.  I ask myself daily if my feelings/thoughts are my own. There is a difference in thoughts that are patterned interference and genuine thoughtfulness. You can pinpoint this difference and block the patterning by raising your personal frequency, or rather, change your frequency. Even doing something simple like taking vitamin C or having a salt bath can accomplish this. Be your own programmer.  Change the game. I believe that they want to keep a milab in a constant state of anxiety.  Anxious people are easier to herd and control. Paranoia is also a great way to easily discredit a victim.  For instance, I have had at times two strangers walk up to me to inform me that they were watching me.  If you react with fear, they have done their job most effectively.

Surrounding family or friends can also be used and manipulated to do the work of a disrupter, or people suddenly appear and turn out to be rather sociopathic. I have needed to be on guard.  Most people do not know that they can be used to target others; and then there are those who are handlers and very much aware and doing the job. In my case my own parents acquiesced a certain amount of access to me by the military, as well as my elementary school.  I take care to be vigilant, cautious, and make pains to create intelligent choices with regards to whom I  surround myself self with.  My family and I are no longer directly involved and I’ve chosen to live in another country.

As to the alien love bite:   I’ve been in several past relationships that seem to fit this context.  I was stalked by a person who was rather dangerous and obsessive for several years.  I am much more discerning now, thank goodness, and less apt to get caught up in such emotional entrapments.  My own personal maturity had a great deal to do with my ability to discern “love bite” love from relationships that are healthy.  As we know, sex is entangled in energy harvesting, abilities, and control methodologies.  There is much to consider before heading into a relationship.

 

16. Which healing and recovery methods were most useful to you in your own journey?

I’ve discovered that a form of memory retrieval which repeats traumatic experiences until they no longer hold charge is most effective.  It is horrific, difficult, time consuming, and exhausting.  But, well worth it.  One of the experiences that had caused me much difficulty was the use of flashing lights to program me.  I have always had a hard time with flashing lights.  However, when I went through this memory over and over again until I could talk about it easily… well I felt much better after.  This was done with two other very qualified practitioners who were able to help release the charge, protect my space, and let me lead myself through my own memory safely. They used some methods that have roots in Scientology, however, they are NOT Scientologists. There is also the idea of the holographic universe that is utilized to help release charge and create understanding of motivations.  For example, one could not only go through a memory from your own perspective, but also through the perspective of others who may also be in the memory with you.  All information has access if one understands the holographic nature of the fabric we are made of.  In a nutshell, I remote view my own experience.  But you need not be a remote viewer to do this effectively. (Do not try this alone!  If anyone is interested I can provide information to you, Eve, that would allow others to contact the people that are doing this.)

 

17. What advice would you offer to a person who knows they are a milab and wants to recover memories and break free of the programs?

Be careful. This will change your life. I will be perfectly honest here. Things will get worse before they get better. Be prepared for all kinds of ripples in your life. They do not want you to remember, so there is programming in place to make you sick, to emotionally sabotage yourself, even to hurt yourself through drugs or alcohol.  Be aware that you have work to do and be resolute in your desire to know yourself. Be ruthless with your memories, stick to fact and reality as you know it to be true. Do not waver. Take care who you speak to about this, as it will be used against you.  Take care to have support; lone wolf programming is very strong in milabs, find others like yourself that you can share with.  Research.  Give yourself uplifting moments every day.  GROUND yourself through gardening or taking long walks.  Seek out all that is real and tactile to base yourself on two strong feet.  Eat well, try to sleep more, and do not alter your state of mind through the use of drugs or alcohol.  Meditate, try out yoga, relax.  Cry when you have to and do not suppress emotions, yet do this safely for yourself and for others.

Most helpful is knowing that I am not alone in this. Long live the internet. I’ve gotten the most solace through interacting and talking with others like myself. Sites like the Project Avalon Forum have been instrumental to my healing. Also, ditching my ego and my ridiculous notion that I could handle all of this by myself. What we do not know is far more interesting and revealing then what we do.

 

EL: This is a good point. I’ve also found that healing is a process that requires that we connect with others in such a way that a mutuality of benefit takes place to heal one another. I’ve mentioned this in the “Dark Side of Cupid“ book in the Healing, Awareness and Recovery section. I think what often binds us to “try to do it all alone” is conditioning by our society, and especially the patriarchal program. Shame is also the biggest deterrent to healing, but also the defenses which keep us bound to avoidance of the pain of what our heart can tell us. Our emotions are actually the key, and this requires an open heart connection. When we can connect with others from a mutual heart space, is when authentic change and profound healing can take place. I am saddened by so many people—especially men who “keep to themselves” and have conditioning that tells them “they must be strong and do it all alone” and “I don’t need help or counseling”. When people make these statements defensively, they tend to be the ones who really need counseling and healing. And because they refuse to acknowledge their own lack of healing, they inadvertently hurt others through their denial and defensive behaviors. If they can let go of their defenses  and longstanding beliefs and programs, a whole new way of being opens up leading to a heart centered happiness. I can’t tell you how many times I hear this from people seeking answers and yet their egos forge the way to stop them because they are too proud or too “stuck in programs” to even to admit to themselves that “they need help”. This actually stops the expansion of awareness and empowerment process in my view.  What you said about “Line Wolf Programming” is so true within the milab experience and those who have gone through any kind of abductions or MK Ultra programming. I think the Matrix sets us up to be this way too, since rejection is so common when we really speak out about what “really happened to us”. Most people just can’t handle the truth.

I appreciate your sharing honestly about your experience and opinions on your healing journey.

 

Alien Imposition: RISE Round Table Discussion

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Karla Turner Articles-Abductions in the Gingerbread House

These articles were contributed by AJ.Karla_Kandace_Turner -ELorgen

Alien Abductions in the Gingerbread House

by Karla K. Turner, Ph.D.

World renowned UFO researcher Jacques Vallee has repeatedly referred to the similarities between UFO and abduction reports and the stories of folklore and fairy tales. I disagree with Dr. Vallee on many, many points of ufology, but here I will grant that there is one fairy tale which does have something important to tell us about the alien abduction phenomenon. It is not, however, what Dr. Vallee might think.

The story of Hansel and Gretel presents a lesson that every abductee should heed. These innocent children, wandering lost and frightened in the forest, came upon a gingerbread house that seemed to offer them shelter and sustenance. The owner of the house, a wizened old woman, was frightening to them at first, but their hunger pushed the children to accept her offer to come inside and be fed.

They entered the gingerbread house and promptly became the old woman’s captives. Kept in cages, the two children were abundantly fed. It was not for their benefit, though. In fact, they were being fattened up for the oven! The deceptive nature of the gingerbread house and of the old woman’s offer of food worked quite well.

It is the deceptive quality of this story that holds a warning for humans who are abducted by aliens. Like Hansel and Gretel, we are initially terrified by our encounter with aliens, but in too many cases, our fear is overcome by the words of our abductors and by the thoughts and experiences they present to us.

I, too, am an abductee, and my quest to discover the nature of my own experiences led me into abduction research over the past four years. Working with many other abduction cases, I have learned just how basic the deception of alien actions can be.

My family and I also delved into our own experiences, both past and present. Barbara Bartholic, a dedicated UFO investigator from Tulsa, Oklahoma, worked closely with us and helped us fill in the gaps in our recollections of strange encounters through hypnotic regression. Ms. Bartholic, by the way, began her own research as an assistant to Jacques Vallee in cattle mutilation investigations, so her expertise in ufology is wide-ranging. I have recently written a book, Into the Fringe, about the startling and often disturbing results of our personal investigations, and it [was] published by the Berkley Publishing Group in November 1992.

My interest soon expanded past the merely personal, and for the past several years I have worked as Ms. Bartholic’s research associate, exploring literally hundreds of sighting and encounter cases with her. And what I’ve learned through this work has raised far more questions than answers. In fact, it has taught me to be wary of those researchers who do claim to have answers. I have yet to hear of a single theory or explanation that accounts for all of the data.

Some researchers have pointed out patterns of events in the abduction experience, such as the physical examination, the taking of sperm and ova, and the later presentation of a hybrid baby to the abductee. Other patterns include the training of the abductee in some way and the delivery of a warning of some upcoming global disaster. Yes, these events are frequently reported, as one researcher has said in boring repetitious accounts, and it is tempting to think that the explanation for alien abductions may lie in these patterns.

So the researchers announce that the problem is solved. The aliens are doing cross breeding experiments, ufologists tell us. Never mind the overwhelming evidence against the viable commingling of different species. Or, we are told, the aliens are here to save us from destroying ourselves and our planet through violence, drug use, epidemic disease, pollution, and resource depletion. Never mind that these problems have grown worse, not better, since the ETs began visiting us.

Most infuriating of all, we are assured that there are no actual aliens, that our experiences spring from our own subconscious turmoil or from our need for fantasy fulfillment. Never mind that many abductees are young children, too young to be suffering from such psychological disturbances. Well, then, the resourceful researcher counters, the imagined aliens must spring from some collective human super-psyche that is mirroring our failures and dangers back to us. This particular theory adores the archetypal gray ET, because it resembles some sickly fetal form of humanity and must therefore be an objectified warning of what our species is in danger of becoming if we don’t mend our ways. Never mind that many, many abductees have no dealing with grays, but instead are victimized by robust reptoids and insectoid-type aliens. Not to mention the totally human-looking blond beauties and black-headed, black-robed clan with the widow’s peak hairline.

No, too many researchers seem to find a theory and cling to it in spite of data that contradict it. And it is the ideas of these researchers that dominate ufology. But if the public had access to the raw data, to the first-hand reports of abductees, especially those unfamiliar with UFO-oriented books, magazines, and lecturers, they would find a much less neatly organized set of patterns. These “virgin” cases – people uncontaminated by ufological literature – supply a staggering picture of human-alien contact events.

What follows here is an overview of these “virgin” reports, a list of recurrent experiences that, taken together, gives us a close-up view of what the aliens are doing here on earth. This data doesn’t tell us for certain just what sort of creatures the aliens are, or what their purpose here may be. But it does tell us what humans are experiencing and what they are observing in the actions and capabilities of the aliens. Every detail in the following list has been reported by more than one abductee, and in many cases the details have turned up quite frequently.

ABDUCTION “CHECKLIST”

If these reports can be believed – and there is no reason to doubt the honesty of the reporters – the abduction phenomenon includes the following details.

  • Aliens can alter our perception of our surroundings.
  • Aliens can control what we think we see. They can appear to us in any number of guises, and shapes.
  • Aliens can take us–our consciousness–out of our physical bodies, disable our control of our bodies, install one of their own entities, and use our bodies as vehicles for their own activities before returning our consciousness to our bodies.
  • Aliens can be present with us in an invisible state and can make themselves only partially visible.
  • Abductees receive marks on their bodies other than the well-known scoops and straight-line scars. These other marks include single punctures, multiple punctures, large bruises, three and four-fingered claw marks, and triangles of every possible sort.
  • Female abductees often suffer serious gynecological problems after their alien encounters, and sometimes these problems lead to cysts, tumors, cancer of the breasts and uterus, and to hysterectomies.
  • Aliens take body fluids from our necks, spines, blood veins, joints such as knees and wrists, and other places. They also inject unknown fluids into various parts of our bodies.
  • A surprising number of abductees suffer from serious illnesses they didn’t have before their encounters. These have led to surgery, debilitation, and even death from causes the doctors can’t identify.
  • Some abductees experience a degeneration of their mental, social, and spiritual well-being. Excessive behavior frequently erupts, such as drug abuse, alcoholism, overeating, and promiscuity. Strange obsessions develop and cause the disruption of normal life and the destruction of personal relationships.
  • Aliens show a great interest in adult sexuality, child sexuality, and in inflicting physical pain on abductees.
  • Abductees recall being instructed and trained by aliens. This training may be in the form of verbal or telepathic lessons, slide shows, or actual hands-on instruction in the operation of alien technology.
  • Abductees report being taken to facilities in which they encounter not only aliens but also normal-looking humans, sometimes in military uniforms, working with the alien captors.
  • Abductees often encounter more than one sort of alien during an experience, not just the grays. Every possible combination of gray, reptoid, insectoid, blond, and widow’s peak have been seen during single abductions, aboard the same craft or in the same facility.
  • Abductee “virgin” cases – report being taken to underground facilities where they see grotesque hybrid creatures, nurseries of hybrid humanoid fetuses, and vats of colored liquid filled with parts of human bodies.
  • Abductees report seeing other humans in these facilities being drained of blood, being mutilated, flayed, and dismembered, and being stacked, lifeless, like cords of wood. Some abductees have been threatened that they, too, will end up in this condition if they don’t cooperate with their alien captors.
  • Aliens come into homes and temporarily remove young children, leaving their distraught parents paralyzed and helpless. In cases where a parent has been able to protest, the aliens insist that “The children belong to us.”
  • Aliens have forced their human abductees to have sexual intercourse with aliens and even with other abductees while groups of aliens observe these performances. In such encounters, the aliens have sometimes disguised themselves in order to gain the cooperation of the abductee, appearing in such forms as Jesus, the Pope, certain celebrities, and even the dead spouses of the abductees.
  • Child abductees sometimes show a new and obsessive interest in their own genitalia after alien encounters, saying that their abductors who come at night have been touching these parts of their bodies.
  • Aliens perform extremely painful experiments or procedures on abductees, saying that these acts are necessary, but giving no explanation why. Abductees’ eyes are painfully removed from the sockets, allowing the aliens to scrape the area or implant devices into the area before the eyeballs are replaced, for instance. Some abductees are subjected to painful constrictions, often around the head, chest and extremities. Painful genitalia and anal probes are performed, on children as well as adults.
  • Aliens make predictions of an imminent period of global chaos and destruction. They say that a certain number of humans- -and the number varies dramatically from case to case–will be “rescued” from the planet in order to continue the species, either on another planet or back on earth after the destruction is over. Many abductees report that they don’t believe their alien captors and foresee instead a much more sinister use of the “rescued” humans.
  • In every instance from this list, there are multiple reports from unrelated cases, confirming that such bizarre details are not the product of a single deranged mind. These details are convincing evidence that, contrary to the claims of many UFO researchers, the abduction experience isn’t limited to a uniform pattern of events. This phenomenon simply can’t be explained in terms of cross-breeding experiments or scientific research into the human physiology.

 

Spiritually Enlightened?

It becomes clear from these details that the beings who are doing such things can’t be seen as spiritually enlightened, with the best interest of the human race in mind. Something else is going on, something far more painful and frightening, in many, many abduction encounters.

There is a theory current in ufological research that says abductees who perceive their experiences in a negative way only do so because they themselves aren’t spiritually or psychically advanced. Persons with higher cosmic development have positive alien encounters, so the theory goes, and those who have painful or frightening experiences are merely spiritual Neanderthals. This is a pet theory of researchers who claim that aliens, whether objectively real or not, serve as “mirrors” of our spiritual nature, on an individual or a species-wide basis. Strieber has voiced this theory, for instance, in Majestic, where he says, “In the eyes of the others [the aliens], we who met them saw ourselves. And there were demons there.”

Having worked with so many decent, honest, positively oriented abductees, however, I believe this theory is wrong. It is worse than wrong – it is despicable, as despicable as blaming a rape victim for the violence committed against her. This attitude leaves many abductees feeling doubly violated, first by the aliens who took them and then by the UFO researchers to whom they turn for explanations and help.

Perhaps it is easy to understand why such a theory would be so popular. Humans have a deep need to believe in the power of good. We need for the aliens to be a good force, since we feel so helpless in their presence. And we need for some superior force to offer us a hope of salvation, both personally and globally, when we consider the sorry state of the world.

I think the aliens know this about us–they know that we want and hope for them to be benevolent creatures – and they use our desire for goodness to manipulate us. What better way to gain our cooperation than to tell us that the things they are doing are for our own good? Looking at the actions, the results of alien interference such as the long list above, there is a great discrepancy between what we desire from them and what they are doing to us.

Not all abduction reports are filled with frightening or painful events, of course. Many people say that their alien encounters felt benevolent, that their abductors treated them kindly or at least with a scientific detachment. Some abductees recall being told that they were “special,” that they were “chosen,” and that they have an important task to perform for the benefit of humanity.

Given such a positive message, the abductees may ignore the fear and the pain of their encounters and insist to themselves and to others that a higher motive underlies the abduction experience. And, in some cases, all that an abductee remembers is a benevolent encounter, and so has no reason to assume any negative action has occurred.

Intensive research now shows that at the core of the human-alien interaction there is a clear pattern of deception. We know, for instance, that “screen memories” are often used to mask an alien abduction. Such accounts abound, in which a person sees a familiar, yet out-of-place animal, like a deer or owl, a monkey or a rabbit, and then experiences a period of missing time. The person often awakens later to find a new, unexplained scar on his body.

Uneasiness about the encounter will persist, however, and far different memories may start to surface in dreams or flashbacks, and then the person seeks help to explain the uneasiness. Quite often, hypnotic regression is used to uncover the events behind the “screen memory,” and that is when a typical alien abduction surfaces.

The most recent research in which I’ve been involved has turned up yet a second sort of screening process. If it turns out to be accurate, then thousands of abduction cases are in urgent need of re-examination.

The typical scenario of undergoing the regressive hypnosis usually results in penetration of the initial blocked memories.

The abductee then recalls an encounter, hitherto un-remembered, such as undergoing a physical examination of some sort, perhaps having body tissues removed or having a gynecological exam. Other typical reports include the taking of sperm and ova, of being told of an important task to be carried out, or of receiving a warning of upcoming disaster.

In most cases, both the abductee and the investigator come away from the hypnosis session feeling that they have discovered the truth about the experience. Rationalization leads them to believe that the aliens’ purposes must be scientifically objective or benevolent. The less threatening and more benevolent the hypnotically recalled event seems, the more satisfied are the investigator and the abductee. “That wasn’t so bad, now, was it? These beings are our friends, or at least they are not our enemies.” And everyone goes away with a sense of relief. I have yet to hear of a researcher who actually questions the uncovered scenario.

However, from several recent cases, it is apparent that these recovered memories may well also be yet another screen, masking events that are much more reprehensible. I will explain one such case, to make the point clear.

A Strange Report

A man in his late 40s came to us to explore several alien-related events in his life, and in the interview he told of a strange, although not apparently alien-oriented episode that had haunted him since childhood. When he was ten years old, his grandmother came to visit in his home, and since the house was small, she shared his bed on the first night of her visit.

During the night, the boy was awakened by a loud male voice. He couldn’t understand what the voice was saying, but it sounded angry and was addressing the grandmother lying beside him.

The next morning, he asked his grandmother, “What was that voice in the bedroom last night?”

His grandmother, with tears in her eyes, pulled him tightly to her and said, “That was the devil.” She said nothing more about the episode, but she did insist that her son take her back to her own home immediately. It was an unreasonable request, and her son tried to talk her out of it. But the grandmother was adamant, and finally her son agreed to take her home the following day.

The entire family made the trip of over a hundred miles back to the grandmother’s farm, and within an hour of their arrival, the grandmother suffered a massive stroke and died. Ever since that event, the man had felt a heavy burden of guilt associated with his grandmother’s death. Yet there was no conscious reason for him to have felt that way. The entire event was poignant and mystifying, but in all the alien encounters he had subsequently undergone, he had felt that the aliens were his friends and were helping him by expanding his psychic abilities.

A regression session was arranged, and in the course of the hypnosis, he was asked to look at that childhood experience. What he recalled was an abduction in which he and his grandmother were taken to a spacecraft in the company of reptilian aliens. He remembered the aliens telling his grandmother that they were interested in learning about her knowledge of medicinal herbs, and they offered to exchange medical information of their own.

They gave the boy and the grandmother a liquid to drink, explaining that it was beneficial and would make the grandmother feel young and attractive again. So both of them drank the liquid, and the man remembered seeing his grandmother indeed looking much younger. That was the extent of his recollection.

Both he and Ms. Bartholic, who was conducting the regression, were puzzled by this, because there was nothing in the episode to account for the guilt he had felt about the grandmother’s death. So Ms. Bartholic deepened the man’s trance level and asked him to look at it again, with much clearer vision. And what he then recalled was much more disturbing.

The abduction, at first, followed his initial recollection. But when the liquid was drunk, he now remembered a very strong feeling of change in his body. And he saw that the grandmother didn’t actually look younger. Instead, she was placed on a table and approached by one of the reptilian aliens who wanted to have intercourse with her. The liquid had acted as an aphrodisiac, yet the grandmother resisted and said that since her husband’s death she would not have sex with anyone. The reptilian laughed and disappeared from the room momentarily. When he returned, he was accompanied by a man who looked exactly like the dead husband.

At this point, the grandmother agreed to have sex, but as the act was in progress, she suddenly realized that the image of her dead husband was a cruel illusion. It was actually the reptilian on top of her, and she cried out in great resistance for him to leave her alone. Once he was finished with her, he lifted up the little boy and placed him on top of the grandmother, forcing another sex act upon the both of them.

Then the grandmother was removed from the table and the little boy was victimized himself by the reptilian, forced to have anal and oral sex. The grandmother protested violently, pushing the reptilian away from her grandson and interposing her body between them. “By Jesus,” she shouted, “you will not touch this boy!”

That must have been the wrong thing to say, because the reptilian became very angry and threatened her. “You will die for that!” he told her, and the two people were returned to the bedroom from which they’d been taken. The next morning, the grandmother told the little boy that the devil had been there the night before, and that was when she insisted upon being taken home. And, as it turned out, she did die immediately thereafter.

This, then, was the cause of the man’s lifelong sense of guilt about her death. He had been forced to have sex with her, and her death had followed shortly after. But none of this story would have emerged if Ms. Bartholic had done as most investigators do and stopped the regression after uncovering the story about the exchange of medicinal knowledge.

There are other cases in our files that show a similar deception at work in the initial hypnotic recall. We cannot trust that first memory, it is clear, for like so much else in the abduction experience, there may well be further maskings of events.

Before we allow ourselves to believe in the benevolence of the alien interaction, we should ask, do enlightened beings need to use the cover of night to perform good deeds? Do they need to paralyze us and render us helpless to resist? Do “angels” need to steal our fetuses? Do they need to manipulate our children’s genitals and probe our rectums? Are fear, pain and deception consistent with high spiritual motives?

Reprinted with permission by Elton Turner and Kelt Works, Inc. This article was first published in UFO Universe, Vol. 3 No. 1, Spring 1993. Copyright 1993. 1700 Broadway, New York, NY 10019.

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Encounter Phenomena Defy “Set Pattern.” All Data Must Be Considered  

by Karla Turner, Ph.D.

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It is a myth that alien abductions of humans follow a set pattern or agenda. Perhaps the best-known proponent of this theory is Budd Hopkins, who in his books made the genetics and other cross-breeding scenario familiar to the public. Yet when you read back through those books, you’ll notice that several of the alien encounters seem to have very little apparent connection to an interest in breeding of DNA. And even Hopkins, in the past couple of years, has had to expand his theory to include a definite alien interest in some other things, such as pleasure and pain in humans.

Other well-known UFO researchers also harbor restrictive theories about the abduction phenomenon, Jacques Vallee, David Jacobs, Whitley Strieber, Brad Steiger, John Lear, Raymond Fowler, Jenny Randles, Kevin Randle, John Keel and other writers hold a diversity of intelligent, often ingenious theories, yet each makes the same error. They ignore parts of the abduction evidence – whatever details don’t support their ideas.

Inadequate Theories

Yet it must be clear that any present theory which cannot account for all the known evidence is not acceptable. At best, it can be misleading, especially for victims of abductions who turn to these prominent researchers seeking answers. A case in point occurred during a conversation with a prominent researcher in 1989. In his lectures, this researcher always said that he had certain ways of testing the validity of potential new abduction cases, and one of those ways was the presence of particular scars on the victims’ bodies. I questioned him about a different kind of scar, one which often appeared on abductees of my own acquaintance, and the researcher denied that such a mark showed up in his cases.

“Are you sure?” I asked incredulously. “This mark is pretty common around here, and I’d think it would show up in other places, too. In fact I know it has.”

“No,” he insisted, shaking his head, “the only marks I find are like the ones I’ve already described.”

“And this other mark hasn’t shown up at all?” I asked.

“No.” he repeated.

“Not even once??” I persisted.

“Well,” he said reluctantly, lowering his voice, “there have been a couple of instances. That child I talked about tonight, she had two of those marks, and I think there was another case. But they’re so rare that I have to ignore them. When you have two hundred cases with Scar A and only two cases with Scar B, you go with the numbers.”

And that was the message he delivered, to an audience where anxious abductees were made to wonder if their anomalous marks meant anything after all, or if, as so many of their friends seemed to think, they were delusions of a troubled mind.

No Single Pattern

In truth, however, although there are recurrent events in the abduction phenomenon, there is no single pattern or structure. And until we know what all the events mean, we can’t afford to ignore any of them.

What is one to make, for instance, of an ET-human encounter in which two of the four aliens assisted the abductee in preparing a roast for dinner?  Granted, other events occurred in this case, but the dinner was indeed cooked, served, and eaten by the abductee’s family less than two hours after the ETs departed.

Other details of this encounter included the manipulation of the abductee’s neck, “for the purpose of instruction,” and a discussion of genetically-stored memories and knowledge that can be tapped open in humans. But there was no medical exam, no cross-breeding activity, and no warnings of coming catastrophe, all of which are events that have been used to construct abduction theories. I know this to be true because it happened to me.

Human Duplicates

Another anomalous event involves the duplication or replacement of the human by an alien counterpart. In one instance, a young man and his fiancee were in their car when a “shimmering force” enveloped him. He passed out, but moments later he began to move, acting and talking entirely differently. His fiancee became terrified when he tried to drag her out into the dark back yard, where he told her, “Something wants to see you there.” And only when a friend drove into the yard did the young man return to normal, with no memory of his aberrant behavior during the past ten minutes.

Under hypnotic regression, the fiancee described the young man as being kept in the car while the “other one” took his form and tried to control her. She called the “other one” a “hologram” and consistently referred to it as “it,” not “him.”  In fact, she said she struggled to get away from “it” and back to the car where “the real” young man was still waiting.

Under separate regression, the young man recalled his version of the evening and said that at a certain point he was “turned off” and “unplugged,” yet he couldn’t say what sort of power was then operating his body.

An even more bizarre event happened to a woman in the Southwest during her encounter. She said she was “removed” from her body and stored in some inexplicable way, still aware, however, and able to communicate with her captors. They told her that another entity was now using her body, that it was going through all her regular activities, and that no one would be able to tell the difference. The day after the abduction when she returned to her job, she found that her body has indeed been at work, even though she herself was somewhere else.

Interdimensional Being

These alien intruders apparently can behave and appear in a variety of ways. In one man’s experience, a human-looking woman often appeared, although she claimed she was an interdimensional being whose real appearance was not what the abductee saw. At times, she would be ‘completely there,’ and very three-dimensional, but at other times only her head would be visible, or her head and hands.

The evidence from several cases also shows that the aliens have an odd interest in our animals, yet this is hardly mentioned in standard abduction research. During a period of intense ET activity in my family’s life, our dog was somehow moved one night from a fenced back yard into a locked garage. And the same dog, conversely, woke us up one morning barking in the back yard, when it had been put in a locked garage the night before.

In both cases, these was no sign that either the gate or the garage door had been opened. The old dog was quite blind, at any rate, and would have had trouble getting anywhere, even if both passageways had been clear.

Pet Puzzler

Transporting dogs turned up again in the case of a UFO researcher. Her dog slept outside, yet in the middle of the night she was awakened by his wet tongue on her face. She and the dog were in her bed, but her bedroom door was still locked, as was the outside door, and there were two other doors closed in between them.

Horses also have been moved, leaving their abductee-owners to track them down in corrals far distant from where the animals had been locked away for the night. It’s hard to imagine the purpose of such events, yet they are part of the larger phenomenon and must have some relevance.

There also seems to be a connection between abductions and the disappearance and appearance of possessions and other objects. One of the more humorous episodes occurred when a researcher was visiting another city and staying as a guest in our home. The day had been spent in work with other abductees, and that evening the group ordered Chinese food.

Preferred Utensils Appear

As we sat eating the food, the researcher remarked that she preferred eating Chinese food with chopsticks, but we didn’t have any. After the meal, the researcher went to her room then returned moments later with a very puzzled expression, “I thought you didn’t have any chopsticks,” she told my husband.  “And I certainly didn’t mean for you to go out and buy them!  But thank you anyway for being so thoughtful.”  She held out a pair of chopsticks wrapped in paper and smiled.

“Where did you get those?” he asked in amazement.

“They were on my bed,” she replied. “Didn’t you put them there?”

“Of course, not!  There aren’t-weren’t-any chopsticks in the house, I promise you. And I haven’t gone anywhere!”

Other objects have appeared out of nowhere, such as metal balls falling from abductees’ bodies when they rose from their beds the morning after an encounter. In another instance, a mother saw what looked like a white book floating horizontally in her son’s bedroom, but when she went in, there was no book to be seen. In one abductee’s home, a fish disappeared from their aquarium, and then it reappeared ten days later, twice as large as it had been. Within 24-hours, it died, as did all the other fish in the tank.

Women in Distress

Perhaps the most remarkable and disturbing set of cases concerning two women I know but who are unacquainted with each other. The first woman awoke one morning to find her bed soaked with blood. It was during her menstrual cycle, yet she was surprised to have bled so profusely as to soak through the tampon she had inserted before going to bed. When she went to the bathroom to clean up, she could find no tampon to remove. Frantically she searched her bed, the bedroom, and finally her entire apartment, but the tampon had disappeared. A few days later, she related the incident to me, but neither of us knew what to make of it.

A month passed, and I received a call from the second woman, who lived far away from me. She was perplexed by an event of the previous night and wanted to tell someone about it. This woman was having her menstrual cycle also, and the night before had put on a sanitary pad before going to bed. Several hours later, she woke up and decided to change the pad, as she was an unusually heavy bleeder. In surprise, however, she found the pad was spotless, and then she felt something inside her. She told me that she removed the tampon, but couldn’t understand how it had gotten there. “I haven’t used tampons in ten years,” she said, “so this doesn’t make any sense.”

Anomalies in ‘Typical’ Reports

Anomalies have turned up in some cases that might otherwise seem to follow the “typical” abduction sequence of going in the ship, undergoing an examination and being returned with little or no memory. Sometimes, for instance, the surroundings in the ship are described as messy or dirty, with foul odors and signs of sloppy housekeeping. Sometimes the interior is said to be crowded, buzzing with numerous entities engaged in rapid, inexplicable movements from place to place.

Even more unusual are those accounts of abduction to inner space rather than outer space. In these cases, abductees tell of being taken into large underground complexes, and their descriptions very often include earthly – perhaps military – apparatus as well as the presence of both humans and aliens working together. These underground areas are reached through long vertical or corkscrewing tunnels, the abductees say, and in one case the place looked like a movie set of an old Western town.

Bathroom Settings

A third anomalous episode, which may have taken place aboard a craft or in an underground setting, involves abductees taken into “bathroom” settings. There they are made to get into stalls with or without toilets, and in most cases the abductees are thoroughly frightened by the events that occur in these surroundings, often having to do with examination of their sexual organs.

Most of these anomalous details have come from a relatively small group of abductees, yet similar cases are known elsewhere. In the instances of the odd scar, which began this discussion, there are cases of the triangular pattern turning up all over the world, yet no prominent researcher has acknowledged this. The scoop marks and straight-line cuts are well known, but just as frequent are less permanent scars and marks. Single, double and multiple puncture marks appear on abductees’ bodies, as do wide paths of subcutaneous purplish smears, triangles and other shapes made by skin discoloration rather than punctures, and long claw-mark, scratches, usually numerous, accompanied by even longer welts of unbroken skin.

Challenge To Positive Theories

As to researchers who claim that the ETs are here to help us evolve some higher consciousness or that they are here for some other positive purpose-saving our planet, promoting world peace, etc.-I challenge those researches to incorporate anomalous data in this view.

What about those people who suffer total breakdowns after their experiences?  What about those who undergo wild personality changes, who find themselves obsessed with deviant sexual behavior they never had before, often leading to the breakup of marriages and friendships?  These things have happened numerous times, but no researcher has yet explained the higher purpose behind such results.

Particularly disturbing are those cases where previously healthy individuals have an ET encounter and then develop debilitating or terminal illnesses. It is well known that many women suffer gynecological problems after their experiences, often leading to hysterectomies. But other instances have shown the development of severe fatigue, horrible swelling and itching, and even cancer. Where are the positive effects in these cases?

Theories are starting places for research, not proven conclusions, and UFO researchers must be willing to expand and alter their pet theories according to the data they uncover. It would be wonderful if we could shape ET experiences into something positive, but until the details of abduction encounters – all the details – are given serious consideration, I think it’s dangerous to cling to theories that ignore data that will not fit. We owe it to ourselves to seek the whole truth.

Reprinted By Permission by Elton Turner and Kelt Works, Inc. This article was originally published in UFO magazine, Vol. 8 No. 1 January/February 1993.

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Genetic Agenda A Double-Cross? 

By Karla K. Turner, Ph.D.

The seminal work of Budd Hopkins first showed recurrent reproductive procedures performed on abductees aboard UFOs or in alien facilities. And since the reports gathered by subsequent researchers confirmed this data, it has become a “given,”-  a fact of ufology, that the primary purpose of alien contact is to crossbreed or hybridize a new version of either the aliens themselves or of us.

But is this a solid fact, a safe assumption?  The evidence upon which this assumption is based is three-fold. First, reports say that genetic and reproductive material are

being harvested from abductees. Second, abductees say the aliens have implanted fetuses into them and then later retrieved the fetuses. Finally, the reports include scenarios involving the “fetal nursery” and the presentation of a hybrid-looking baby or child to the abductee, typically with claims that the baby is the offspring of the abductee.

All of this evidence comes from abduction accounts, remembered both consciously and under regressive hypnosis. To date, however, there is no actual hybrid child in human custody, so the entire “fact” is based solely on encounter reports. The accuracy of these reports is questionable, given the nature of the abduction scenario. In every encounter, the human’s total perceptive intake is controlled and frequently altered, easily manipulated to give the human a “created” event to remember and a programmed set of tactile, emotional, and intellectual responses. That means that what we abductees think and what we remember of encounters may not accurately reflect the real events of the encounter.

Some researchers insist on accepting abduction accounts at face value, however, but even if we grant the veracity of the reports, there are still problems with accepting the “fact” of a crossbreeding agenda. There are other feasible explanations for the data used to support the hybridization theory that should be considered.

First, the genetic material harvested from abductees could be intended for some other use than an upgraded alien species. For instance, totally human clones, typically naked and inert or inactive, are reported by abductees. The genetic materials could be used in their production.

Another possibility is that, as some abductees report being told or shown, the small Gray “workers” are mass-produced android robots, not soul-bearing individuals and thus not “alive” as we understand the term. The Grays show a strong fetal physiology, as numerous descriptions have stated. And given enough mastery of genetics, human reproductive material could be altered so that its appearance resembled the Gray type, yet be strictly human in composition, rather than a mixture of alien and human. The Grays, in effect, could be grossly altered bodies of human babies, devoid of what we call soul and mentally programmed like dedicated computer hardware.

Similarly, the reported fetuses could be intended for non-crossbreeding purposes, notably the same ones just discussed. Remember, there is no hard evidence that the fetuses are actually made from any alien-human combination, only an assumption based on outward appearances and the pronouncements of the aliens.

The reports of temporary fetal implantations into abductees, by the way, are reproductively odd, to say the least. There are some reports of male abductees receiving fetal implants, one in the abdomen and another rectally. Both implants were later retrieved, just as in the cases of female abductees. Even prepubescent children are reported to have received fetal implants.

There is also evidence that the fetuses, whatever their origin, are not always treated as if they were precious experiments vital to the survival of either our race or the aliens. In a few instances, abductees report watching as aliens deliberately destroy fetuses in the “fetal nursery” scenario. In one instance, the abductee was told that she shouldn’t be upset because the fetus was not really alive, and that all its physical material would be used, not wasted. In another instance, the abductee was actually told that the reproductive work and the fetuses were used in the manufacture of the Gray workers. She was told that the aliens were also preparing “workers” for a coming time of destruction, because they would need workers who were devoid of emotion.

And the “baby presentations” have other possible interpretations other than the nurturing of the hybrid offspring, which is what the aliens typically claim. It might indeed be an actual event, but the baby could be a strictly human product, not a crossbreed. The purpose here might not be for a bonding process, since many abductees say they don’t feel any maternal connection to the baby. One woman said she didn’t believe the event was for bonding at all, but rather was a tormenting process meant to be emotionally traumatic for the “parent,” as part of some programming agenda.

On the other hand, the presentation might not be real at all. It could be a virtual reality scenario. In such a case, the baby might be something else altogether, or purely a projected image with no physical reality. The event might be designed to give us disinformation, misleading us about the true nature of their genetics agenda and, indeed, about the true nature of our relationship and worth to the aliens. If the agenda would seem reprehensible to us, it would certainly serve their purposes to keep us ignorant of it and to give us instead a more acceptable “cover story.”

To muddy the waters even further, the aliens have indicated four contradictory explanations for the genetics work. First, they have said it was necessary to upgrade their declining race. They have also said that it is necessary to alter the human species so it can survive some future destruction scenario. Third, they have told some abductees that they are here serving God’s plan, by preparing “New Bodies” for the coming Resurrection and return of Christ. And finally, they have said they are producing clones of certain individuals, with which those individuals could be replaced.

Given the alternative possible explanations and the large body of counter- indicative data, as well as the conflicting explanations offered by the aliens, can we safely accept hybridization as the primary purpose at the heart of the alien agenda?  Or should we be more skeptical about their avowed intentions?The evidence shows that the aliens do harvest from us in a number of ways, emotionally and energetically as well as physically. There are even reported scenarios of facilities in which human bodies are “processed,” and many such reports come from people unfamiliar with ufological literature.

If we are indeed a multipurpose resource for the aliens, one which they want to continue to use, could they be performing the various reproductive/genetic procedures in order to make alterations in their “livestock” that better serve the uses for which we are harvested?  Such a possibility should not be ruled out. There are hypothetical reasons why these alterations might be necessary at this particular time.

If the aliens know, for example, that upcoming catastrophes or earth changes will be vastly destructive of their herd, they could be working furiously to store up supplies in advance of the dearth, and also perhaps trying to produce a variant human more capable of surviving in some new environment on this planet. The aliens, in fact, are fond of making predictions of catastrophic earth changes, although they usually insist their genetic intrusions are altruistic, for our benefit.

Consider this: What if the aliens realize that their herd is showing changes that the aliens didn’t intend and don’t like? They could be furiously working to stem this transformative process. They may fear that the herd is waking up, gaining new perceptive abilities, and learning that its purpose is nothing more than livestock. After all, the herd might be so unhappy with that situation that they might decide to resist it. What would be the alien response to such a situation? If all the livestock we use on this planet suddenly woke up and decided they didn’t want to “serve Man” any longer, would humans acquiesce quietly and become vegetarians?

Reprinted with permission by Elton Turner and Kelt Works, Inc. This article was originally published in The MUFON UFO Journal, #320  December 1994.

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Alien Behavior: Concept or Precept?

By Elton Turner

“186,000 M/Second – it’s not just a good idea, it’s the law,” the bumper sticker read. Something about that statement irritated me. Here we were in the midst of a UFO conference and someone was selling an old reality!

The mixture of our notions of physical reality and our concept of law are keeping us in the dark ages of human thought. Modern science has brought us many new ideas about the nature of the universe, but those ideas are constantly being challenged and changed as our powers of observation sharpen and equipment improves. I thank our scientists for their contributions;  I love air conditioning, airplanes, and the television waves that travel our air. What bothers me, is that we have not stopped to consider, “The Law.”

What laws do the invaders (and I use that term intentionally) of our world abide by? I posit that we have no idea of the rules of the navigable universe by which these otherworldly entities operate. We continue to develop ideas of their intentions based on our own social rules and written laws. I asked a prominent author and researcher of the UFO phenomenon the other day why he thought the aliens could be trusted – why we should believe what they tell us. His reply was sincere, I think. He said they have demonstrated their truthfulness by predicting some future events, and, lo and behold, what they said came true. He said they have told us our planet is in ecological crisis and we know that is true. And, although they seem to have been here for thousands of years, they have not invaded us. What wonderful creatures they must be!

In the few years that I have been studying my own personal invasion by these creatures, I have come to understand that the invaders do not tell the truth unless it serves THEIR purpose. They play on our fears, using pollution, war, nuclear holocaust and greed as backdrops for their warnings. But every day since I was a small child, I have been aware that those things are part of our world. We all know these things. It does not take a zillion-plus-IQ creature from the planet Orlon to make me aware that we have problems in our world that we must face. We have very human problems to deal with – problems that we can deal with.

The problems we cannot yet overcome is that of outside interference in our affairs. Some people may call it “benevolent intervention” and point to positive results. I respect the scientists and laymen of all disciplines who have been studying the alien phenomenon and artifacts for the past 50 or 60 years. It appears that they have made some progress, as witnessed by the rapid developments in the aerospace industry, medicine, communications, etc., a great deal of which seems to have come from such research. What is missing is a thorough and public study of the mission and rules of engagement in the war for our world.

I believe that our very thoughts and consequently, our behavior as a race of sentient beings are being UNDERMINED through the power of insinuation and the implantation of controlling devices in our bodies by non-human (most of the time) entities. This is truly the most effective way to invade and conquer. I do not trust such creatures no matter what I have been told about their altruistic motives.

We, as a race, have never been free to discover our own true identity. Every social advance we attempt is thwarted by some maniac who springs up with almost divine grace to lead us into madness. Saint Paul, for instance, seems to have taken the real message of Jesus and his earliest followers and distorted it into something that we kill, lie and cheat for. And, in spite of all that, we still aspire for redemption of our souls. The followers of that doctrine – Christians, they call themselves – are not the only ones who behave in such a manner. Every major religion has managed to find an excuse in its teachings to destroy non-believing fellow human beings. A part of me shudders every time I hear of yet another killing based on 2000-year-old hatreds.

What law allows us to continue with such atrocities? What influence keeps such hatred and fears alive? Why are we abductees so afraid to ask for real help from our own society?

We have been INVADED – but I do not yet believe that the battle is over. Invasion with sticks, knives or guns is a human reality, not necessarily a universal one. There are very sophisticated mechanisms being used in the invasion of our world. Why should our invaders use pointed sticks against us when they can get us to sharpen sticks and use them against each other? We provide them with everything they want from us, and they take none of the blame for our misery. They just zip around in their wonderful flying machines, dazzling us with their magical abilities and filling us with awe at their insight.

Can there be a more successful military campaign than one in which no shot is (apparently) fired and in which the conquered populace gladly and openly welcomes their enslavers? We are being programmed mentally and socially to accept our invaders as saviors, not a conquering force. I truly believe we are being deceived by smoke, mirrors and sleight-of-three-fingered-hand movements. Are we going to sell our birthright to some sneaky beings who appear on our shores in marvelous ships and offer us a few glitzy baubles?

The researcher asked if I personally knew of harm that has come to anyone at the hands of, or because of, the aliens. Yes, harm has come. My early youth was damaged severely by the unconscious knowledge that I was being used by some non-human agency. It took me 40 years to recognize that the fears which guided me daily were not of my own making and that the rebellion I constantly felt was engendered by my contempt for the powerful invisible agents that forced me to do things that I knew were wrong, even as I was doing them.

For example, I did not want to marry the person who became my first wife, yet I had no control over the decision. Before we were married, we were jointly abducted and subjected to severe programming. The results brought no happiness to either of us. We both starved for love and companionship, even though we tried with all our might to find them. My son (now 25) was also one of their subjects, and is miserable and lost. He is an artistic person with so many unknowable fears that he is paralyzed. I know of abductees MURDERED by mutilations (reports of which are suppressed immediately and completely), by cancers that no physician has ever seen before, and by madness that has led to suicide. In my opinion, these acts were not caused by “brothers” of any sort.

I do not believe that all is lost, however. I have felt a guiding hand that helped me to discover happiness and inner peace amid all this chaos and misery. What I have come to understand is that that hand is only there when I take responsibility for my own happiness and do something about whatever is bothering me.

Reality left in the hands of the invaders is neither what we need nor what we want. It is time that we think hard about ourselves and what we have on this gem of the universe, our home – our planet. There are laws governing the actions of our invaders, rules guiding their actions and patterns of behavior we can discover if we will make a concerted effort to discern them. We humans have something valuable that is desirable to, and usable by the alien forces acting on us. I feel it is time we take back that which is ours, that we use all our resources to discover the laws that govern reality and become the beings that we intrinsically know we are.

Reprinted with permission by Elton Turner and Kelt Works, Inc. This article was originally published in Contact Forum, September/October, 1994.

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Karla Kandace Turner, Ph.D. was a highly respected abduction researcher, author, lecturer, and teacher. She received her Bachelor’s degree from the University of California in Sacramento, a Master’s degree from the University of Nottingham, Nottingham England, and her Ph.D. from the University of North Texas in Denton. She authored three books about the abduction phenomenon: Into The Fringe, Taken, and Masquerade of Angels.

In 1995, Karla contracted a very dangerous form of breast cancer immediately following an abduction experience. She lost her battle with cancer on January 9, 1996 at the age of 48. Karla has been greatly missed by those her knew her and by the many people she helped through her books and research. Karla Turner, Ph.D. Memorial website

Comments on the “Monsters and Mysteries” Episode: Aliens Cloned my Husband, Betty and Barney Hill Abduction and Alien Matrix.

It took me several days to calm down enough to state my opinion on how the Destination America, Monsters and Mysteries show presented my views on the Alien Matrix aspect of the Alien Abduction/MILAB Phenomena. It was not just the misrepresentation, but the lack of adequate and balanced discussion on the topics of the show. First off, the Betty and Barney Hill Abduction account was overkill, redundant, and “old” in terms of the abduction phenomena. I wished they would have mentioned the part in Barney’s hypnotic regression where he said the ETs looked like “Nazis!”. But that would be omitted of course! The Hill Abduction case took up too much time in the one hour show, leaving little for the other aspects of the alien abduction related themes of cloning, milabs, mind control, virtual reality training scenarios, and most importantly, spiritual warfare perpetrated upon the human race.

The spiritual warfare aspects that I discussed in my original interview with Monsters and Mysteries team regarded the Gnostic “Archontic” origins of alien interference were completely omitted.

The Gloria Hawker case was presented with emphasis on the frightful, alien cloning operations, and while I know this is a part of the abduction and milab reported perceptions, again, the show was spin controlled to present an overly fearful, human powerlessness-against-the-aliens focus. I personally know Gloria Hawker and even met her husband before his death. She is honest and caring and I can tell you that Gloria has a much larger story that involves the alien and military abduction/MILAB component that was completely overlooked.

The Alien Matrix re-enactment of the Richard Rogers case was expounded as if it was all “alien machinations” of combat themed, virtual training scenarios, in apocalyptic settings, which again, is only half the equation. And when they inserted a few minor comments of my own as a professional researcher and counselor, they presented it as if my views were, anxiety ridden, fearful concerns about aliens. To say I was disappointed is an understatement. All I can say is that mainstream TV is so controlled that if you want any kind of truth about anything, you will have to find it yourself through your own research using the internet and actual witness accounts. Mainstream TV is made for IQs of less than 90 if that. Not only this, but they (at least the ones at the top who edit and spin control) are controlled perhaps by the self-same archontic/alien parasites that prevent accurate perception of the human condition on this planet now and in the past. In my view, there is nothing new about alien abductions or alien interference. It’s been going on a long time on this planet.

A correspondent sent me this email in regards to her comments of the Monsters and Mysteries Show. I am glad I’m not the only one who was disappointed and could see through the typical, dummied down, spin controlled operation that mainstream TV still is still a slave to.

“Hi Eve,

“Still yet, at three days after this show aired I’m still shaking my head wondering just how many times can the Betty and Barney Hill story be told over and over and over again.  Surely Friedman and Marden are on auto pilot these days telling this same story repeatedly…rehashing the same old hash to a public who’s heard this story for 50 years now. The show wasted the entire first half with this worn out story.

It’s high time the media moves forward to what’s going on NOW in more current times such as the important information that you and Gloria Hawker had to tell, but weren’t given enough time or respect to barely tell your information. 

Friedman and Marden need to step aside.  The same story can only be told so many times. You, Gloria Hawker and others have the information that is really needed by the public. 

Sincerely,

S.H.

P.S.  I also let the show know my “feelings.”

 

ET Abductee Interviewed by Alfred Webre About Predatory Hyperdimensional Beings

ET Abductee interview of 10/16/013 by Alfred Webre on Exo-politics.com:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MToni1LCwRA&feature=youtu.be

In this interview an anonymous 33 year old male “abductee” reveals what his experience has been of ET intrusion by the dark alien forces, and milab themes. In his experiences he admits to being subjected to many virtual reality scenarios and punishing behaviors by the ETs who are oftentimes masquerading in other guises. Alfred and he discuss the hyperdimensional nature of these entities rather than extraterrestrial. The abductee cites John Lash material regarding the nature of the “Archons” and how these entities who have plagued he and his family for decades use fear and punishment tactics to carry out their agenda on humans so they “stay in line” and cooperate in a disempowered, fearful state of being.

Sometimes the beings take you physically and other times it may be only a kind of energetic abduction, but the abductee stated numerous health and medical issues as a result of his abductions in addition to the “taunting and harassment” which is very similar to the “targeted individuals” reports.

The abductee relates that the negative hyperdimensional entities will tailor make the experiences for that particular personality using whatever tactics that help instill fear and a belief system that ensures our belief in their powerful nature. He says they will target specific types of people, especially those with alot of intelligence, light and out of the box thinkers and those with heightened perception, so as to “knock them down”. He stated they they trim or “clip the light” from the people who are believed to be a threat to these controlling entities. They often give prophetic and apocalyptic messages and warnings and threats.

The abductee repeated several times how these entities are similar if not identical to the Archons of the Nag Hammadi Library Gnostic material. These beings are also described in the early Carlos Castenada books and referred to as “inorganic” beings. In such books as “The Fire Within, The Eagles Gift and The Art of Dreaming, Castenada gives several accounts of having encountered inorganic beings and their realms in the “dreaming state of the 2nd attention”. These beings can have insidious and deceptive means to pull you into their realms, and in some bizarre cases can even pull your entire physical body into their realms in a full on physical abduction. This is reminiscent of some alien abduction capabilities, where they can do complete physical abductions in and out of time, as well as astral or energy body/consciousness abductions. More often than not, the abductee will not have full recall of the experience. From a shamanic perspective, this lack of memory may be due to a lack of energy and concentration. So this was one main reason why shamans developed energy and awareness cultivating practices so as to be more effective seers and not fall into the traps of these inorganic predatory beings. Seers can learn how to perceive the distinct differences in the energetic signatures of organic versus inorganic beings.

In The Alien Apocalypse interview with Corvo, (See http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/alien-abduction/interview-with-giuseppe-platonia-author-of-aliene-apocalypse/)

he refers to these beings as EME’s or Extra Materialized Entities. They operate in a distinct and predictable pattern that usually revolve around these themes:

  • Nowadays it is manifested in the form of our “friends ET” and/or “celestial entities” like the “Holy Virgin Mary” that release ideologically consistent messages.
  • The behavior of these entities, the number of contacts and paranormal phenomena are inconsistent with extraterrestrial hypothesis.
  • The existence of a multi-dimensional universe is theorized by physics with the theory or M-theory.
  • The messages of these beings relate to a series of “coming” disasters, such as “The Event”, meteors, three days of darkness, global wars, etc.
  • The mythical stories of those disasters are consistent with the narrative of the “hybrids” as the next-generation of humankind.
  • After which there will be the coming of a “millennial kingdom”.
  • The beings act like vampires.  The interest of these EME’s is to establish a feeding field.
  • Human organizations in our history have tried to fight and/or establish a “devilish pact” with them.

Now, contrast this with John Lash’s description of the archontic mind parasite weaponry tactics of the predatory beings. In essence the Archons want to cause us to destroy our paradise. They reach us in three main ways:

  •  The reach us through remote viewing.
  • They work in teams with a hive mentality.
  • They are mind parasites and they intrude in our mind telepathically – telepathic intrusion.

They can project from outside the Earth’s atmosphere to inside the Earth’s atmosphere virtual reality scenarios that are so real that human beings usually mistake them for real events – certainly some of these “religious miracle events” like sightings of the Virgin Mary, etc.  In the Nag Hammadi this was noted by the word Hal.  Note: in 2001 a Space Odyssey, the name of the computer was HAL.  ET abductions are perhaps another example.

  • The third weapon is – “religion”
  • Infiltrate and try and control humanity through religion.

The gnostics in the Nag Hammadi specifically designated what John Lash calls “the religion of salvationism of Judeo-Christianity – Abrahamic religion.” (aka The Palestinian Redeemer Complex).

This form of religion contains four main elements :

1. Exclusive creation of the world by a paternal father “god” – no female power involved.  (Note, the “world” (meaning our Earth) wasn’t created at all – it was a metamorphosis of the divine Sophia, Herself. We as humanity are emanations of divine design, (through the Aeonic coupling of Sophia and “Thelete”, not “creations”.)

2. “He” has chosen to be represented by certain people on Earth and selected them and separated them from all others (special “agents” of “god” – “chosen ones”)

3. “He” is going to send his “messiah” to help the “chosen people” implement his final program for humanity.

4. “He” plans an apocalyptic judgment day for everyone including those who follow his plan and obey his orders and those who don’t.

As one can see, the “Father God” tactics of the Demiurge/Archontic mind set is one of a controlling and punishing way, if you don’t obey you will be punished and bad things will happen to you if you don’t believe, have blind faith, follow their program of salvation, etc.

One of the things that a client discussed with me recently (he also contributed to the above summarized material noted about John Lash’s Archon weaponry tactics) is how it feels after one has removed themselves from the arhontic mind parasite mode of perception and self-belief. Let’s say, you’ve had an alien encounter or even telepathic messages from beings who claim to be ETs or some form of interdimensional being or “star gods”. They may arrange numerous dreams, communications, visions, predictions, prophecies and meaningful synchroncities in your life. They seem to set you up to feel special or chosen to be their ambassador, channel or “spiritual leader” or even inculcate a messiah complex in you. They can do this by providing astounding synchronicities in your life in ways that make you feel chosen, or zealous about a particular belief system that has the above themes of Corvo’s summary: Some kind of apocalyptic scenario, warning the people, spreading the message of a new spiritual teaching or “god/religion” that has all the ear marks of an off planet ET who wants all kinds of worship, attention and energy directed towards them for us to believe blindly and give our power away to. They usually ignore or marginalize anything to do with the living planet Gaia-Sophia/Divine Feminine Wisdom as an Aeonic being who we can interact and connect with to remember our own origins. Instead, they goad you in feeling like you are some kind of chosen person or people who have special connections with star gods or benevolent ET races. They work by alot of telepathy and downplay the heart centered interactive connection with the Earth and with each other. They do this in a way that evades our understanding of all of us as equally important. If you don’t comply to their belief construct they may turn on you with endless guilt trips, in equitable gender relatoinships, hierarchy systems of those who are always better than someone else with some elite who are in control through bloodline associations with special genetics, etc.

One of the tactics of the archons and disruptors, or people hosted by these hyperdimensional mind parasite beings, is to feed off of your life force, emotions and to destroy and attack the “purity of the soul”. They have predictable ways of either shaming you outright to make you feel bad about yourself (or public humiliation) or they put you up on a pedestal, only to “crash you down” later to feed off the “let down” they just staged upon you. If you don’t comply to their impossible expectations of human perfection they make you an outcast in their social systems. Of course it’s a no brainer that these entities are incapable of empathy and compassion, and so the hallmark of an archontically parasited and hosted person is a kind of psychopathic personality pattern. This is elaborated on at length in my book, “The Dark Side of Cupid”. The only reason I bring this up again is because I’ve had discussions with people who have run into these disruptors on internet forum lists and other groups, and they often hide behind “spiritual masks”.

When you are connected to the Organic Light and wisdom of the living Sophia/Gaia, one’s reactions and perceptions change into a more open, joyful, egalitarian and wonderstruck beingness concerning the nature of our own connection with the Earth and each other in our true memory of divine origin. Life becomes a wonderment of magical expression of our own divine imaginative co-creation and interactivity with the wisdom of the living planet we live on. We no longer become addicted to being an information junkie on a sole rational mind level, and instead intuit through a combination of intellectual understanding and intuitive knowing or Gnosis by ones rememberance and interaction with the living wisdom that gave us life.

 

Restoration of the Dreaming Powers of the Wisdom Goddess

This post contains two main items: A recent John Lash Navigator Briefing and also a Radio show interview of mine that has some relevant topics connected to some of what John mentioned in the noted briefing.

Black Jaguar Rising: GNE Navigator Briefing # 83,  August 30, 2013

In this briefing, John Lash uncodes an ancient myth of the Hero Warrior Twins of the Maya “Shibalba”. These twins are those who go into the underworld with the mycelium thread or strands of organic light. This dreaming together is actually carried out by a male and female shaman, mythically named Hunab Hu (male) and Ishvalante. Ishvalante is also represented by the female black jaguar. This myth can also be understood  and interacted with now within the GNE observation methods of the planet Venus in the sky, as it ascends and descends each day and night, and also throughout a period of time in the next several months as we go into the fall, winter and spring of 2014. Remember also that the ending of the initial conditions of Sophia’s correction is in March 2014.

Restoration of the Dreaming Powers by “dreaming pairs” can ultimately defeat the virus of the predators and dominators of the evil powers who we know are a huge problem globally. Many of us know of this war well and are in it constantly, as energies of dark and light constantly battle over those who are aware of this war and want to help liberate humanity from the chains of the Archontic and Draconic infested Predator-Psychopaths.

See: http://gaiaspora.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Nav-Briefing-83-Black-Jaguar-RisingFIXED-30-August-2013.mp3

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In my own Radio Show interview with Ari Kopel on Shattering the Matrix Blog Talk Radio Sept. 14, 2013,( 6 pm PST, 9 pm EST) ( See http://www.blogtalkradio.com/shatteringthematrix/2013/09/15/eve-lorgen–milabs-super-soldiers-part-3)

I mention the word “mycelium” that came to me in a dream. At the time, I was not aware of it consciously as it was defined in John Lash’s Nav briefing #83. It’s meaning to me is that we need an organic model of telepathic communication, an organic internet we can access, “dreaming together” in order to defeat and discern the difference between artificial “archontic” telepathy and the real deal with organic communication, telepathic via shamanic methods. Mycelium is the organic model of a vast perceptive and responsive plant medicine/power/mushroom that has a living, interlinking intelligent communication capacity.

See Wiki Definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycelium

The internet and artificial, technological, “alien and nano tech” can also mimic telepathy, and this is reflected well in the “alien interference, virtual reality and milab/super soldier lucid dream trainings and mutual experiences that abductees often have together. (Remember the mimicry capabilites of the Archons) The problem is that their alien or military handlers can use this technology to entrain and entrap their minds and their astral body matrix to enforce and manipulate dreams and virtual reality scenarios. And they do this in order to carry out their own “alien/archontic/predatory” agenda for the most part, and will often do this to confuse the abductee with screen memories so that they do not recall their true “abduction experiences”.

One of my main messages in this radio interview is to be able to connect directly with organic divine wisdom and learn to interconnect with this living intelligence, and with each other, and do so in lucid dreaming together. This is actually best done in male/female “tantric pairs” because their connection is more powerful and naturally empathic and telepathic.(love is also present) In this way, we can discern the difference between the Archontic/Alien/Predator mimicry and manipulation and what is authentic dreaming power. This is necessary to win this “war” of the alien parasites who have taken over much of our own shadow government, military and mind control programs.(And so much more…) Sophia can assist with this dreaming power.

Note: When the Archived youtube link of the radio show is available I will add this to the article and my Radio Page.

In this Radio interview, Part 3 of Milabs and Supersoldiers and Alien Abductions I discuss:

  • Alien Implants, the surgeries by Dr. Roger Leir and an article of the Before and After Effects of Implant Removal
  • Steve Colberns’ research on alien implants analysis
  • Flourescence markings on alien abductees bodies
  • The work of Dr. Corrado Malanga and the Transdimensional Alien Parasitism, alien hierarchies.
  • My annoyance with the contemporary “idolatry” of the popular UFO/ET mindset perceiving ETs as either neutral or positivist in order to sustain some popular opinion, flavor of the week “bullshit”.
  • How trauma and memory are connected, and how important healing of trauma is needed for personal memory to be retrieved for spiritual empowerment.
  • A discussion on the owl synchronicities, archetypes and metaphors that arise in experiencers lives. Shamanic meanings of animal powers and personal experience.
  • Reverse Speech archetypes of the owl and other metaphors in alien abduction “experiencer” conversations, and how reverse speech is a soul to soul communication if it can be discerned correctly. It can also be used as a truth versus lies detector.

James Bartley on MILABs, Reptilians: Interview with Lorien Fenton on Revolution Radio

This is a link to the latest blogtalk interview James Bartley did on Lorien Fenton’s “Fenton Perspective” show July 5, 2013.  He discusses some of the inner dynamics of Milab Mind Control including the mind control exerted upon sleeping milabs. James also discusses the Hybrid Lycan Operatives used by the military…yes literal werewolf/wolfmen some of whom actually speak english and probably other languages and who wear military uniforms. They exist. These entities have been reported for some time at least as far back as the early 1990s but there seems to be an upsurge in reported sightings. I’ve spoken to a number of milabs who have encountered these wolfmen “Lycans.”

Remember the interview also with White Wolf Von Atizingen who has had shapeshifting were wolf experiences within the milab/mind control/occult environment. (http://evelorgen.com/wp/news/white-wolf-von-atzingen-interview/)

James Bartley on Revolution Radio with Lorien Fenton:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TT6IL7W_tw&feature=c4-overview&list=UU4qEAWgw_TY9ITV9gsjbPeg

 

Interview with Corvo, Author of Aliene Apocalypse

A new book in Italian about the Alien Agenda, the good and evil masks they wear, and the coming apocalypse.

By Eve Lorgen

1. Giuseppe, what motivated you to write this book about the alien apocalypse, and whose work or research connected with some of your ideas and main themes of the book?

The motivation comes from my personal history linked with a sense of social responsibility.

I was born in Italy, which is a Catholic country. As a child I was exposed to different paranormal events regarding “celestial beings” like the “Blessed Virgin Mary”. I was eight years old when I saw a a statue weeping tears of blood. In the same place there was an individual who claimed to channel the “Archangel Gabriel”. When I was 17, I went to Medjugorje in Bosnia, a location where the Virgin Mary was supposed to appear, and saw many unexplained phenomena. The entity there is revealing ten secrets regarding the apocalypse. Those experiences begged for an explination and I was not amused with the one of the believers nor the skeptics.  These kinds of messages of approaching catastrophes coming from Eminent Catholic Entities (ECE) are consistent with the ones that contactees /abductees receive from aliens. The division between “celestial apparitions” and the “ET” visitation is arbitrary.  In my home town, Catania in Italy, we had an ET contactee called Eugenio Siragusa and a Marian seer, Rosario Toscano, who declared to have had the contact/vision within five miles of distance. Sources like the seer Stefania Caterina (http://www.versolanuovacreazione.it/  in Italian language) are closing the gap. They promote the idea that the aliens are closer to “god” and that, when they come, we should put aside any criticism and submit to them. In the book I investigate on those three cases and many others.

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The Cabalistic Tree of Life is used in the book as a map to organize knowledge. The list of authors that contributed to Apocalisse Aliena is too long to be reported here. I have a great debt of gratitude with researchers like Valle, Keel, Karla Turner and Richard Dolan that opened the ground for my idea. I also owe my teachers of Advaita Vedanta – Fusho and Raphael- and Cabala  for providing me with the explination framework that I used in the book.

My formal education in Social Science gave me the understanding of Anthropology, System Theory and Political Science that is used in the text.
Those contributions are linked together to create a hypothesis that I think gives an original contribution to the field. This originality risks to upset everyone a little bit. The scientific, religious, UFO and new age communities could face their paradigm challenged by the thesis expressed in the book.  This can sound uncomfortable, on the other hand, we have to challenge ourselves. I believe that the EME interference is the single most important, complex matter that will change the world as we know forever.

2. Who are the aliens really, in your opinion? And why do you refer to them as extra dimensional materialized entities or EME?

The term Extra-dimensional Materialized Entity (EME) was initially used in some of the MJ-12 documents. It comes from the fact that they do not come from our dimension and they need to “materialize” a body to interact with us.

Following my research the more common Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis (ETH) is not consistent in the motivation and comportment of the being(s) considered. The amount of interaction is huge and indicates a symbiotic, long term relationship between us and “them”. Authors like Vallee and Keel have noticed this aspect already 40 years ago and proposed this dimensional hypothesis. In the meantime, we have science that supports their intuition: a a physics theory called “M-theory” or “super string theory” explains how a multidimensional universe works.

The original contribution of the book introduces a dimensional dynamic aspect to the universes’ relationship that evolves over time: those multidimensional universes, or p-brane, are not always the same “distance” to each other.

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When they are “closer” it is easier for the EME to pass to our realm of existence and interact with us physically. This explains the ancient stories about the “gods” that were “walking with men” and the fact that so many traditions affirm that they will return one day. In this context, the fact that the return of the gods is linked with apocalyptic events can be explained with the interaction of the two p-branes. In fact, the M-theory explains that the only string that can escape a p-brane is the “graviton”.  A gravitational influence is following my research the cause of past “cosmic destruction”. The book argues that the earth changes that we are experiencing are caused by those influences.

3. How many different races of EMEs are there and what are their main purposes or agendas? For example, the Greys, versus the Reptilians or the Mantis’s or Nordic human looking beings?

The classification of EME based on their physical aspect is misleading, part of their deception strategy. One of the original thesis presented in the book is that we are facing a single metamorphic race. Analyzing the evidence emerge that entities of different aspects are collaborating together during the same abductions. Abductees report that a defined hierarchy is evident near assigned roles. Additionally they can create and “possess” physical recipients. So I wonder if we can apply to them the tools that Charles Darwin used for classifying races. The physical aspect seems to reflect more a social function than a biological difference. For example, the Greys take the role of  “workers, the Reptilians are “warriors”, the Mantis are “scientists”, the Nordic “priests” and so on. This distinction is also present in the tradition of many human cultures, where spiritual classes are associated to certain social functions. While in human cultures we use clothing for distinguishing the roles, I think that an entire body could be much more efficient. Bodies are “containers” for them. In the book, I hypothesize that the traditional division in classes is another relict(? or aspect) of the EME social engineering. When the “gods” came they imposed their way to organize society and to describe the universe. Those activities were secondary effects, aimed at the most important goal: religion. As Jacques Valle noticed, the alien presence seems to be related to the creation of systems of belief. The text examines different historical cases of “cultural gods” and concludes that the most important social feature for them was the creation of a form of religion with specific ceremonies. The fact that we have so many different revealed religions, often in total disagreement with each other reflects the fact that the EMEs are divided in clans, that fight for an establishled “realm of influence” were they can feed.  The abductee Ken Bakeman reports a story regarding a “reptilian” that was very upset for the destruction of his “feeding nest”: the Confederate State of America (!).

This brings up a “political aspect” to the alien presence: we are assuming a total alien control on human evolution. To investigate such a matter, a new discipline is required. Because the so-called “exopolitics” is in my opinion, polluted with wishful thinking about the “positive ET” intentions, I refer to this matter as “Ontopolitic” from the greek ὄντος (regarding the nature of being) and polis (city, society). This definition becomes necessary to cover the “non conventional” political goals of the aliens.

As reported by writers such Karla Turner, Eve Lorgen, Salvador Freixedo and Corrado Malanga,  their scopes includes feeding with an energy that living beings release in situation of stress as well as in devotional states. From a political point of view, this kind of objective require to extend our conception of what is “war” and how to win it. In the book I present evidence that the group of control  over the alien interference arrived to a similar conclusion and is facing a real challenge.

4. What about the higher dimensional beings who are believed to be benevolent like angels and “spirit guides” how do they fit into the apocalypse?

Given the fact that we are facing a category of being able to project any appearance and/or good feelings in our mind, it is hard to distinguish who are the “good guys”. The marian seers, the alien channelers, even demonologists like Aleister Crowley were convinced to be on the right side. Only in the Hollywood movies somebody says: “yes, I’m the evil one”.

Magicians describe several techniques to handle the EMEs and try to have an eye-to-eye relationship, but this requires special training and very often ends badly. The definition of “benevolent” per se, is questionable. I own a farm where we grow chickens: every day we feed them, we protect them from predators and inclement weather.  Are we “benevolent”?

This is a message released by an ECE declaring to be God the almighty:

I am the God of all creation. I am the God of love, of compassion. I am also the God of Justice. My hand will fall on humanity, who, through the evil allegiance to the Evil One, refuse to follow the path of love and truth.[…]For those who will not listen […] no mercy will be shown.
http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/first-message-from-god-the-father-the-time-has-come-now-for-me-to-reclaim-my-glorious-kingdom-new-paradise-on-earth-will-last-1000-years/

Despite the tone, there are thousands of people who think that this above is a benevolent entity.  Maybe the safest thing to do is to assume that positive EME’s do not exist. As a rule of thumb the mystics say, “If You Meet the Buddha on the Road, Cut Off His Head”. I think that the best is to put aside those definitions and examine the interest of the parties. We will discover a trend across all of them, also in the words of supposed positive entities, toward the establishment of a form of cult aimed at feeding the entity in question.

5. Are EMEs mostly male or do they have equal numbers of male and female?

The presence of Mary is very relevant and feminine. In the book I list 260 cases of marian apparitions starting from 460 A.C. For several centuries, she has insisted to be elevated to the same level as the male divinities. Apart from her, the EMEs are mostly of male appearance. Abductees report that certain beings emit a female wave also if they don’t have any primary or secondary sexual characteristic.

6. Are all the EMEs some form of energy vampire or feeder? And how do they feed on human energy? Do they feed on other life forms on this planet also?

All the evidence point to the vampire direction. The term, however,  automatically evokes negative feelings. In nature we have two form of vampirism: parasites and symbionts. The difference consists in the mutual advantage of both parties.  (EL-Symbiosis is mutually beneficial. Parasitism eventually harms the host.) I suspect that in the common definition of what humanity is, we need them, we are hard wired for it. In this sense the relationship would be symbiotic.

The differences between the EME Clans consist in the ways they use to collect life energy. While a certain group of clans focus on physical sacrifice, others prefer more softer forms like prayers and devotion. A sizable group of people subjected to stress will emit this vital energy. It is noteworthy that the presence of UFOs increases during any aggregation of crowds, including rock concerts, political demonstrations or sporting events. (EL any references to this statement and from whom? Was it Vallee?)The cattle mutilation phenomenon shows clearly that animals can be also used for energy feeding. We should not forget that sacrifice of animals or even plants to the gods was practiced for millennia. The evidence shows that a quality hierarchy exists. For example in the bible, “god” has a clear preference for Abel, who sacrifices an animal, versus Cain’s vegetable offer.

The ability to feed on this energy is not limited to the EME: Aleister Crowley describes how to feed on the heart of a victim to get energy.

7. What about the apocalypse and coming disasters that so many of these EME’s tell us about? Are they creating them or is this part of a greater plan?

It is probably a mix of manipulation and physical effects provoked by the gravity side of the dimensional dynamic. The prophecies released by the EME contain a mix of information and lies. The aim of the message is to scare us so that we ask for help. A precise information is empowering the recipient, while uncertainty is required for better control. One special event that is often prophesied by ECE is for sure an artifact: the Warning. The Warning is a cosmic event, probably related to a comet, that would cause a world-wide Near Death Experience. When we die and we are disconnected from our containers (notice the plural) we see a kind-of rapid replay of our existence. I myself had this experience because of a motorcycle incident when I was 15. The replay is linked with a “judgment” of the life itself operated by the “higher self”. My understanding is that this experience can be provoked artificially. For non educated or materialistic people this can be a very shocking experience because they will face a void in their life. The ECE declare that this will be the last Warning from God before the punishment. Curiously enough they also prophesy that humankind will find “silly scientific explanations” for this event.

8. What is the alien hybrid project really about? HAve they succeeded in your opinion in created true alien-human/EME hybrids that support their agenda?

It is probable that the hybrids are nothing new. Instead of using this term we should speak of humanity versions. We are probably the 5th  type of containers created by them and the hybrids are the “next generation”.

The evidence presented in the book point out two motivations for periodic exchange of the container’s (body) format. First is that humanity become too “noisy”, as stated in the myth of Gilgamesh. This is interpreted as being aware of the EME’s deception and not any longer willing to give them life energy freely.  A similar opinion is expressed by Credo Muttwa:
Human beings are starting to care about the world in which they live and in which they find themselves. But, the aliens, the Chitauli, the Mantindane – call them what you will – are not going to take that lying down. They are going to punish us, as they did centuries before.

that the Chitauli brought down a fire from Heaven. They took fire from the Sun itself and they used it to burn that great civilization away. They caused earthquakes and tidal waves and destroyed the great civilization of the Red people of the long green hair, who are said to have been the first people ever to be created on this Earth. It is said that the Chitauli allowed only a few surviving people to escape the destruction of Amariri, and that they are prepared to do this again in the very near future.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_credo_mutwa03.htm

The hybrids are described as being more passive, like small children, so they are more suitable to host the new human, the kind the Aliens prefer. Besides, the EME are looking for containers that can host/possess them directly. In this supposed paradisiacal world to come, the “gods” are again walking among us and need bodies for that.

9. What about the human soul? Do these beings have souls as we understand them?

What is exactly this “soul” we are discussing? Our culture has a very poor understanding of this matter and modern languages, e.g., English, reflects such a lack of attention. The western mind is heavily influenced by 2000 years of Christianity in this matter.

A complete chapter of Apocalisse Aliena is dedicated to an expanded description of the “Souls” – notice the plural– following the Egyptian tradition. It is too long to be discussed here,  the bottom line is that three different concepts are used: the containers, the vital energy that animate the container and the consciousnesses. See the image below those concepts to applied to the Tree of Life:

Illustration 3: Egyptian soul applied to the Tree of Life; to the left the containers, to the right the vital energies and in the middle consciousness1Apocalisse Aliena - ci salveranno loro - Corvo - ITA_html_79171f58

In modern terms we can take a computer as a metaphor: we can distinguish between the hardware (container), the electricity powering the machine (vital energy ) and finally the software (consciousness). Now we need to extend this concept to  “virtual machines”, a computer inside another computer. We get a kind of Russian nesting doll construction. Those layers are called kosha in Sanscrit (“veils”)  .

10. How does the work of Dr. Corrado Malanga fit into your theories as EMEs and their agenda of feeding on humanity?

I respect the work of Malanga, which is  unique in the Italian landscape, too much depending on foreign inputs. Malanga’s intuition to use neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) to handle the phenomenon is innovative. On the other hand, innovation is not always required. NLP is defined by some of his creators as a “kind of magic”, and it is magic in the original sense of making use of i-MAG-es. “Mag” is the original root for “power”. Malanga’s SIMBAD (Self Induced Method for Blocking Abductions Definitively) makes declared use of the imagination to solve the problem, but doesn’t offer a framework to explain why or how to handle side situations. John Lash in his book “Not In His Image” calls the imagination “Epinoia”. Lash takes a theoretical approach with less theory, Malanga takes a practical approach without a solid framework. In fact a working paradigm for handling this phenomenon existed for millennia and is called “Hermetic Cabala”.

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11. How does the Feminine Goddess religions such as Gaia and the Sophianic Myth of our planet as a living Aeon fit into their various religious agendas or creations? Do they fear the power of the living planet herself and those who connect with her Organic Light?

I’m not sure if I have a definitive answer to this question. The dualism between a “good” feminine aspect versus a “bad” masculine one is part of the New Age culture that was influenced by the messages of  channeled EME like Ra and others. Dualism is a tool that the EME often use to create a sense of belonging to a certain group versus the “other”, the “enemy”.

EL: I  feel that this is an oversimplified answer to a more complex issue. The Divine Feminine Wisdom is the living intelligence of the planet Gaia/Sophia, who, after her plunge from the Pleroma, actually created the Demiurge and its “Archontic entities” which can be described in the ancient Gnostic literature (Nag Hammadi Library and John Lash etc.) as the many types/forms of aliens who have interfered with humanity in a specific way: mind parasites. Archons are notorious for creating religious ideology that disempowers and creates error in our minds. Most of the religious ideologies created by the Archons are the patriarchal dominator systems which deny the living planet and instead create an off planet Father God, who is in actuality Yaltabaoth the head Archon. The Archons also impose virtual realities because they lack nous, and the luminous epinoia which we, as humans, have. They are notorious for implementing religious systems which deny the reality of the living Wisdom of the planet herself–Gaia/Sophia, which is understood as a Feminine Aeon/Being in materialized form as the planet. Although the Archons have posed a significant problem for humanity, they are not really separate from Sophia, per se. But, according to wisdom received by the Gnostic telestai, the correction for the problems the Archons create for humanity and Sophia are in the process of being created and implemented in this moment.( In Gaia’s Aeonic time frame that is) This of course, I believe, also depends on our understanding of the truth of the creation of this planet and our interaction with the Aeonic Being -Sophia who is dreaming us on her body as emanations of her lucid dream.

What I find unnerving with most religions and experts( who do not understand the Sophianic narrative) is the complete disregard of the reality of Sophia as the wisdom goddess herself as the living planet and her real history. This lack of even acknowleding Sophia/Gaia includes a serious misunderstanding of the real issue with the Archons, aliens, etc., the feeders of humanity who are constantly interfering. Until a certain point in the correction that is.( We are nearing the end of the Kali Yuga) This has nothing to do with Masculine versus Feminine dichotomies or dualistic wars, but a reality of how this planet and our own humanity came into being, according to the Gnostic Sophianic narrative, which is unique above all religious and Archontic corrupted systems. It’s understanding may very well be THE SOLUTION to an issue many seem to consider hopeless or just a part of being human on this planet.

12. How can we as aware and awakened humanity, prevent these EME’s with various religious and social agendas for control, overcome or disempower their entire agenda on feeding on humanity like they’ve done for thousands of years?

In the previous example of my relationship with the chickens, what could change our relationship? I suppose that if they would start to speak to me and organize political demonstrations and strikes I would give them (some) freedom. The evidence shows that the EME handle us as inferior beings, easy to manipulate. Basically they think that we are “stupid”, and that we deserve what we get. In history, small groups of humans have discovered the alien deception. The EME were always ready to handle an agreement. The most important group is composed by the what conspiracy theorist call the “Illuminati”. More pragmatically, they are old families that pass the secret of magical power and working relationship with the EME in their bloodlines. Another case that I introduce in the book is the so-called “Omega Secret”, a Vatican insider that came to Cristoforo Barbato, an Italian journalist, telling about an agreement between the EME and the Vatican. Also the military of the MJ-12 control group made the “greada treaty” with aliens in exchange for technology. All those are only modern editions of the “devil pact” and typically the human side end badly. The EME have a very long experience in deception and manipulation.

13. What kinds of methods have you found helpful in your awareness and understanding of the Alien issue? And also, what practices have you found to be helpful for enabling a solution to the alien interference?

The approach that I follow is to use the Kabbalah and Vedanta (see http://www.vidya-ashramvidyaorder.org/ for more information on my school). The first–the Dimensional Theory–which researcher Keel originally proposed, provides a “map” of the dimensional planes and their relationships. The second methodology is of “Discernment” and “Detachment” that I mentioned during the interview.

In my research I do not use hypnosis. The main source of the original information in the book is an “Imaginative” method that I learned by practicing the operative Kabbalah. “Magic” comes indeed from the ability to imagine (Imago in Latin). The method has similarities with the work of military remote viewers, or even with the Malanga’s SIMBAD. In my opinion these are only “partial rediscovery” of a certain knowledge which has never been lost. This is being actively used by the old noble families, who many call the “illuminati.”

A good public description in English of the method is available in the mirror page of the late magician “emperor Norton” (http://hermetic.com/norton/)

I then refer to the existing literacy to compare my findings with the work of others.

Is the resulting proposed hypothesis valid?

During my research I found that the concept of “real” as opposed to the “fake” does not lead anywhere in this matter. The deception is part of the game. At this point we can only speak of “degrees of truth”, or even better of concepts that are adequate to describe and address the subject matter.

In my opinion the finding in “Apocalisse Aliena” are impotant enough to be considered, because opens from the inside a world that was rarery disclose.

EMEs in medieval literature are described as demons, and texts constantly recommend to be careful with their deceptions.

They will use any idea that you’re particularly fond of to deceive you.

According to the Vedanta any entities that stands between the researcher and one without Second (Sat Cit Ananda) should be discarded. In this sense, any distinction between entities “positive” and “negative” vanishes.

The source section of my book includes 150 books on UFO, abduction and related things in several languages (italian, Spanish, French, German and English).

Amazon Link: http://www.amazon.com/Apocalisse-Aliena-Italian-Edition-ebook/dp/B00DJAB3NQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375110142&sr=8-1&keywords=apocalisse+aliena

 

Alien Jigsaw Website Back Online

Here are some pertinent links that have been re-instated on the Alien Jigsaw Website. For a while it was down due to a “cyber stalking harassment” issue. So here are some good updates on Flouresence Markings in Alien Abduction Cases, and Steve Colbern’s (Associate of Dr. Roger Leir) work on alien implant analysis. Also included is a link for the best of Dr. Karla Turner’s research, and the Milab’s article below.

Links to Alien Jigsaw: Milabs-A Pandora’s Box interview with a Female Milab:

http://alienjigsaw.com/Eve_Lorgens_Research.html

Updated Fluorescence Article and Photos of Alien Abductees:

http://alienjigsaw.com/Evidence_For_Alien_Abduction_Fluorescence_Body_Marks.html

Steve Colbern’s Research site on Alien Implants Analysis:

http://alienevidenceinc.webs.com/

The Best of Dr.Karla Turners Alien Abduction Research

http://alienjigsaw.com/Karla_Turners_Research.html

 

Reptilian Abductee/Milab Ken Bakeman, Interview by Jeffery Pritchett

Ken Bakeman, a veteran alien abductee and milab, discusses his lifetime of alien encounters by several types of aliens and humans. He knows of at least 5 types of reptilian-lizard beings, Greys, blue dwarfs, tanned-Nordic types with plastic looking skin, MIBs, human military and engagement in milab operations. Ken talks about numerous experiences including being energetically vampirized by one of these reptilian creatures. In a former post, Ken describes an experience where a reptilian being enacts a Templar like ritual. (See http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/military-abduction-milabs-and-reptilians/reptilian-abductee-reports-a-forced-crusader-like-baptism-ritual/)

Ken wrote two books and is working on a third. Ken is a good writer and engages the reader with humor and sardonic wit. The first is part of a trilogy entitled,  “Verges–A Chronicle of Alien Encounters“. Ken’s web site is: http://www.kenbakeman.com/reptilian_index.html

His interview with Jeffery Pritchett can be seen here:

http://www.examiner.com/article/ken-bakeman-on-the-verges-a-chronicle-of-alien-encounters?cid=db_articles