James Bartley on Disruptors in the Abduction Research Community and Support Networks

Recent James Bartley Blogtalk Radio shows: 

“The one for Night Search is about Disruptors in abductee support groups who try to keep everything at a “feel good” level and how to deal with them. The best way to deal with them is not let them into your support groups because they will create acrimony, divisiveness and factionalism between the “False Positives” and those who are coming to grips with hardcore experiences.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/renford/2014/09/03/night-search

James did the latter interview at the start of the last week. The next interview was done only yesterday. He talks a bit about his own experiences as well as discuss reptilian abductions and milab stuff.

http://www.spreaker.com/user/debrajayneeast/skywatcher-interview-james-bartley?error=access_denied&error_code=200&error_description=Permissions+error&error_reason=user_denied#_=_

 

Interview with a Female Milab and Project Avalon Member

By Eve Lorgen

This is an informal written interview of a female “milab” abductee whom I recently became acquainted with via my research. She prefers to maintain her anonymity at this time and suggests her name as only, a “Project Avalon Forum Member”.

I became interested in her experiences and opinions because she has been actively engaged in over two decades of healing and recovery work. She has recovered much memory and understanding of her experiences, especially the methodology which was used to find and create paranormal abilities.  She also asserts to the liaison of alien and human military involvement in a co-created project to produce operatives with supernatural abilities like remote viewing, time folding, bi-location and clairvoyant faculties.  What I find is that with true healing and recovery, experiencers of such projects no longer cater to the “entertainment” angle or the popular opinion aspect of the Paranormal/Conspiracy/UFO community circles. Healing, recovery and awareness work takes a sober, dedicated individual who learns to trust inner wisdom. Inner wisdom is not some “program of belief” or ego based defense system, but listening to the heart and dealing with the emotions carried through traumas. From what I have gathered with many wise experiencers who have done their own healing work, authentic awareness and self discovery does not happen with a single quick fix method of “healing”. It takes years of emotional processing, letting go of beliefs and behaviors which no longer work, while maintaining an inner core of truth and dedication to integrity on all levels.

1. When did you discover you were a “milab” abductee?

I would not say that I “discovered”, rather that I have always had memories that were attached to the military and abduction from an early age.  The term “milab” is something that I’ve gotten used to over the last five years.  While doing research on people like myself, I realized that the term applied.  The memories that I speak of are attached to an elementary school located in upstate New York, where I grew up for the first 8 years of my life.  Not only were kids like myself pulled from classes and tested for psychic abilities, but also kids were tagged by the military due to creativity, intelligence, and hearing abilities.  A white van would park outside the school, unmarked, with testing equipment for hearing, the other tests were done in the school with the acquiescence of the principal (who later was fired under allegations of child molestation). The army base that was involved in this (early 1970’s) resided only about a mile away.  Access to children, for them, was a non-issue.

Did this also involve alien visitations of various kinds?

Yes, my very first abduction memory, which actually occurred before I started elementary school (at the age of 4 years old) involved the Navy as well as an alien element.  In this memory I was taken from my bed to a small submarine by men.  These men then experimented upon me using drugs and torture methods to induce my leaving my body.  Once this was accomplished, I came into direct contact with what one would call Mantid/Grey intelligence.  This creature, which I could see clearly out of body, was overseeing the project with great interest.  I was informed by this intelligence that I was to return to my body as the experiment had been a success.  In later years I recall with clarity subsequent incidences which involved both military and aliens seemingly working together physically.

 

2. What discoveries did you make about your own family history in regards to why you were chosen for this project?

My family has a strong military background. Navy on both sides. This seems to be an element that may have some indication of a family history. Also, I’ve done research into the bloodlines of Milabs, and there is a pattern that includes Native American Indian mixed with Celtic heritage. My grandmother was of native blood, and the rest of my heritage includes Viking as well as a family coat of arms dating back to England and Wales.  Another significant aspect is that the women in my family were considered psychic or sensitive on the Viking side.  On top of this, both sides of the family were Masonic.

 

3. Are you aware of any official project name for what you were involved in for “milab operations or experimentation?

The only project name that I recall is “Bluebird”, though I do not know if this was the project name, or the name that I was given. Children were taken in large groups as well, we were separated by talents in clothing (matching paper gowns, foot socks, and pants)  The group I was in wore hospital blue, there was also a green and red group.

 

4. Did you have early childhood abuse from family, that you believe is related to being in a “project”?

Yes.  Abuse and access to children for experimentation seem to walk hand in hand.  Not only are children abused by their abductors, yet also families seem to have a history that is related to such abuse. Perhaps this is generational and by design. There seems to be a relationship to sexual abuse, energy transference into entities, and families. Sexual stimulation was also used to induce an out of body experience. Feelings of helplessness and fear create adrenalin which also quickens psychic awareness and induces a state of altered consciousness. Altered states of consciousness are fundamental to teach remote viewing, time folding, and the ability to leave ones body at will.

 

5. What about the occult or ritual element, was this present in any of your experiences?

I have several memories of masonic experiences, which are rather occult and ritualistic.  However, I consider myself fortunate to not have had the experience of being raised by satanists or people who were cognitively seeking stronger links to darker forces.  There certainly is a darker element involved with this type of abduction experience.  The puppet masters may actually be one in the same when discussing Reptilian aspects, however, rather then being “black magic” oriented, my experiences have had a very clinical nature to them.  They have always been scientific and militaristic in embodiment, sterile, and cold.  However, this does not exclude the fact that nefarious forces take notice of gifted people; and the converse is also true, gifted people take notice of nefarious forces.  IMO black magic is a tool that has been used, and used effectively with milabs, It also comes with a price.  I have had encounters that could be established as attacks from ritualistic magic, and have seen things that would be considered dark occult in nature.  There is a link here that I feel needs to be considered.

 

6. What kinds of beings, whether alien/ET or inter or extra dimensional, were involved in your abduction related experiences?

Human-like beings, some with long dark hair and others with cloth upon their heads, one being that was seemingly a giant (though these may all be screen memories implanted by the military, it’s important to be open minded about this), I’ve seen a Reptilian, ones that would be called Greys, Mantid, also smaller whiter beings similar to greys but with smaller expressive eyes.  Also very small creatures with interesting technology.  It’s been a rather mixed bag.  Some claim to be “helping” while others are doing a job with very human military people with them.  I was rather young when I saw the Reptilian, I was shocked and bewildered after the internet became a household tool. There I found others who described similar beings.  It seems to be more then just coincidental that so many are able to describe these visitors in such detail and similarity.

 

7. Were you ever told by these beings, or humans, medical, etc., that you have been genetically modified or are of some sort of “hybrid status”. Or what they call “augmented”?

No. Though the term “special” was often used.

 

8. Do you have any unusual medical or physical attributes that you consider “alien or hybrid?”

No, unless you would consider poor health and a lifelong battle with allergies to be unusual.  I’m a very pale nordic-looking female.  Tall and slender.  I’ve been told that I appear alien, but that is not unusual considering my heritage.  One interesting finding that I recently discovered while doing resonance therapy was that I tested positive for a “Kuru” bacteria that was rather ancient and not supposed to exist in modern times.  This was with Resonance testing which was created by Dr. Voll.  The practitioner said that this can happen to people who are remote viewers, they can pick up viruses and bacteria from the past and bring it back with them.  I do not know if there is any validity to this, however, I do find it interesting.

 

9. What kinds of abilities did you discover you had that were not “average”?

I’m a visual artist.  My IQ is above average.  I have an innate understanding of quantum physics. I remote view and am considered to be psychic.  I’m what you would call “sensitive”.

 

10. How were you instructed or trained to utilize these “abilities” in milab experimentation or operations?

Unfortunately, the military uses rather crude methodologies to get results.  There is nothing finely crafted nor subtle about how this is accomplished, at least not in my era.  Torture, drugs, psychological trickery, trauma and more are all utilized to accomplish any given goal.  For example, a person could be placed out in the middle of a mine field and then told to find their way back to safety using only their abilities to detect where not to step foot.  Another scenario is a group training where people are locked into a warehouse and they must work as a team to escape, this is to ascertain who works well together, who has leadership qualities, what a person can take physically etc.  In terms of training, lies are utilized.  For example, I would be given a picture and asked to find the person in the picture.  I would remote view with others the site and astrally lead them to their goal.  However, what would happen next could be nothing short of murder.  This I was never told, but I hung around once and discovered this was indeed the case.  For a child, innocence is used as a way to coercion.  The military knows through profiling who would pull a trigger and who would not.  I would not.  As I would not willingly lead anyone to harm, rather a keen sense of loyalty and a need to help others were used as tools to get me to do what they wanted.  The desire to be loved and complimented is also a strong force.

Did you ever observe cloned people or hybrid alien humans?

Yes.  I believe that I had an experience with a hybrid at a gallery that I owned.  It was an unusual conversation.  The woman was very tall, and had incredibly thin hair that barely covered her head.  Her face seemed out of proportion, like a person who has had too much plastic surgery.  I remember looking up from my desk and there she was, asking me if I was happy and fulfilled in my current position… it was a very unusual conversation.  I noted that I had to really concentrate on her words, as I was effected by her and put into an altered state.  As soon as she left my, brain wanted to forget the interaction, yet I held on to it.  Still it is fractal and not clear what she was telling me.  I will never forget that.  She seemed to just vanish when she walked out the door.  It was very unusual.

 

11. Are you aware of any compartmentalized alter personalities that were created with specific abilities? And did you remember how these personalities were “created”?

Yes and no.  I was strapped into a chair and tortured until my mind fractured.  I remember that I created hallways and closets in my mind with doors that led to emotions.  Each door had a label or a number.  Since then, I’ve opened up the doors and reintegrated these fractured parts of myself.  I’m not trying to be glib about this, this process took 20 years of hard work.  “Abilities” is not the right word, persona is more to the mark.  Each persona had an emotional aspect, each emotional aspect would be able to preform tasks.  For example, if one was in a mine field then you would not embody the emotion of fear, rather a calm and solid state without emotion would be most effective.  However, where does the fear go then?  Into the closet.  Either way, the “ability” to detect mines could be compromised by an emotional state.  For me personally, it was always about controlling emotions, not compartmentalizing abilities. However, this is my own personal experience.  I have no doubt that the manchurian candidate scenario is a unfortunate truth for others.

 

12. Have you ever experienced bi location accidentally or in the framework of being “trained by your abductors” in milab operations or ET related experiences?

I have to laugh.  This is a very loaded question.  During this interview I have been very cautious (sorry) due to the understanding that what I say has a certain retribution.  Milabs in general know this.  We put our necks out and things happen.  These things can be very difficult, I know I’m being vague here but it can be targeting, emotional trauma, and physical targeting that is rather dangerous.  However, I would like to discuss what I call the “change”.  The change is related to a change in location for me personally which also encompassed a change technologically in how these interactions occurred. Which has a great deal to do with bio-location.  In my personal experience, this change occurred in the 1980’s.

In the 1980’s I had the misfortune to be taken regularly by a group that my have had military interactions, but they seemed to be more human experimenters, doctors who had the ability to bio-locate to continue these experiments on a completely different level.  Meaning:  At first I was being physically taken by military that were mostly Navy, then, when my family moved to another location, a very different type of abduction began to occur. This may be due to being closer to an area where this tech was being used or it may be due to technology that was gained during that era, or both.

For example, literally my room would melt when I was going to sleep.  Melt. In describing this everything would turn white, people would “appear” in my room and then encircle my bed.  These people were now not necessarily military, but were all white coated lab techs/ doctors.  My bed would turn into a very sterile stainless steal bed, all of this would occur while I was wide awake.  I could, in the initial beginnings of this transference, get up and go to the bathroom for example, but then upon returning to my bed, the transmutation of reality would occur rather quickly and continue again.  This was very different from the military abductions that I had experienced earlier and also the ET abductions where I was taken to a craft and had more interactions.  This was an entirely different world than the physical abductions that I was used to.

The abduction technology, which I was familiar with, where an ET could enter through walls, closed windows etc., was IMO being utilized by humans.  Human people knew how to do this and were/are doing this.  So in answer to your query, Yes.  Physical and astral– both.  Perhaps it is difficult to know which is what.  This is where the physical aspects of “BEING” come into question.  Timelines distort, and a person can be placed in the past, present or future… it’s hard to describe, yet I know the truth of this.

Now this “change” really encompassed more.  Also, I noted that I could be suddenly needing a nap for instance (which I believe was a programmed response), I would lay down and find that I would be “pulled in” to a scenario that was using me for a Remote Viewing operation.  Now, this means that we can be taken out of our bodies by another group through their will.  This is concerning.  I’m not meaning to scare anyone, but this needs to be discussed.

Another aspect is being placed into an alien body to perform tasks off world… this was also a part of my experience.  During this experience humans were working with ET’s together to perform tasks, tasks that could be performed by an ET body safely, but a human mind was needed to complete the task in a human way.  There was some type of agreement that enabled this, but for me, I was only a child and so I was just doing as I was told.

These experiences have lessoned as I’ve gotten older to a great degree. Assets are used until they are no longer useful. Yet also, I’ve stepped up my abilities and used what i’ve been taught against the very format that I was brought into. I RV my own experience now.  This does not mean that I am safe by any means, just that I’m in a cognitive struggle to retain my own independence.

 

13. What about telepathy between humans in abductions/experiences or in “real life/physical life” situations?

I have noted that we can recognize each other.  This can be due to being part of a same grouping, or perhaps it’s just that we can tie into each other on a psychic way.  It’s one of my talents, to be able to read people, but I feel a pressure and a familiarity when I walk on the street and feel another that has been used cognitively or not in these experimentations.  A lot of people do not even realize that this is a part of their reality, that’s another can of worms.

 

14. What are your opinions on the latest revelations by Simon Parkes (Kerry Cassidy interview this summer in UK) with reference to some ET beings wanting to ascend, and his general overview of the abduction and milab issue?

Simon is admittedly under the guidance of what he calls the Mantids.  He also states that he is “reptilian” in nature or soul.  In dealing with anyone who has such a strong identification with another race I would advise caution.  What a person can trust is one’s own sovereignty and autonomy.  Think for yourself always and use such interviews as indications of information that may be either accepted or discarded using one’s own discernment.  In order to do this effectively, you need to take an active participation in discernment by taking the time to study.  If you (the reader) are a person who believes all that you hear;  you are selling yourself short.  As to the ascension issue, it is interesting to hear the terms “riding on the backs” of other humans.  Reminds me of entity attachment, which is parasitical in nature.  However, the idea that races need to advance (and I would include humans in this) as we all stand to make room for spiritual improvement, is interesting.  True or not?  Simon believes his own truth and what he is told by mantids.  I believe my own truth, however, I’m open to new information and open to the idea that not only have I had to go through programming, but I am continually dealing with programming issues either through basic media or through my own experiences.  We need to always question everything, including ourselves.  That takes courage and the willingness to personally change your beliefs if need be.  Each individual will have a perception that differs from another.  This is based on our experiences.  Simon is a product of his experiences and an interesting person to study.

15. Have you had any experience with the targeting technologies to thwart your healing and awareness process, which is not ” a program”, but some external applied technology or interference?  Or have you experiences a “love bite” disruption or having disrupter agents sent in to derail your awakening, etc.?

Yes, I’m currently being treated for EMF over-exposure, which is unfortunately a tactic that is used often with targeted individuals. There are a few methods that I’ve found helpful, ie:  Copper coils shaped like the letter “G” beneath my mattress and also surrounding my bedroom with copper wire.  A friend recently suggested homeopathic gold, which I am rather excited  to try.  I meditate and use methods of energy circulation that I learned through reading Mantak Chia’s books.  However, as much as I try to prop myself up, the fact is that this constant vigilance can be exhausting at times.  I am always experimenting.

As to handlers and or disrupter agents, life is full of them.  Due to programming anyone can be used to accomplish this.  Frequencies in people can be manipulated just as easily as electrical frequencies in cars.  My husband and I are very careful to negotiate rather then argue, which is thankfully in our natures.  I ask myself daily if my feelings/thoughts are my own. There is a difference in thoughts that are patterned interference and genuine thoughtfulness. You can pinpoint this difference and block the patterning by raising your personal frequency, or rather, change your frequency. Even doing something simple like taking vitamin C or having a salt bath can accomplish this. Be your own programmer.  Change the game. I believe that they want to keep a milab in a constant state of anxiety.  Anxious people are easier to herd and control. Paranoia is also a great way to easily discredit a victim.  For instance, I have had at times two strangers walk up to me to inform me that they were watching me.  If you react with fear, they have done their job most effectively.

Surrounding family or friends can also be used and manipulated to do the work of a disrupter, or people suddenly appear and turn out to be rather sociopathic. I have needed to be on guard.  Most people do not know that they can be used to target others; and then there are those who are handlers and very much aware and doing the job. In my case my own parents acquiesced a certain amount of access to me by the military, as well as my elementary school.  I take care to be vigilant, cautious, and make pains to create intelligent choices with regards to whom I  surround myself self with.  My family and I are no longer directly involved and I’ve chosen to live in another country.

As to the alien love bite:   I’ve been in several past relationships that seem to fit this context.  I was stalked by a person who was rather dangerous and obsessive for several years.  I am much more discerning now, thank goodness, and less apt to get caught up in such emotional entrapments.  My own personal maturity had a great deal to do with my ability to discern “love bite” love from relationships that are healthy.  As we know, sex is entangled in energy harvesting, abilities, and control methodologies.  There is much to consider before heading into a relationship.

 

16. Which healing and recovery methods were most useful to you in your own journey?

I’ve discovered that a form of memory retrieval which repeats traumatic experiences until they no longer hold charge is most effective.  It is horrific, difficult, time consuming, and exhausting.  But, well worth it.  One of the experiences that had caused me much difficulty was the use of flashing lights to program me.  I have always had a hard time with flashing lights.  However, when I went through this memory over and over again until I could talk about it easily… well I felt much better after.  This was done with two other very qualified practitioners who were able to help release the charge, protect my space, and let me lead myself through my own memory safely. They used some methods that have roots in Scientology, however, they are NOT Scientologists. There is also the idea of the holographic universe that is utilized to help release charge and create understanding of motivations.  For example, one could not only go through a memory from your own perspective, but also through the perspective of others who may also be in the memory with you.  All information has access if one understands the holographic nature of the fabric we are made of.  In a nutshell, I remote view my own experience.  But you need not be a remote viewer to do this effectively. (Do not try this alone!  If anyone is interested I can provide information to you, Eve, that would allow others to contact the people that are doing this.)

 

17. What advice would you offer to a person who knows they are a milab and wants to recover memories and break free of the programs?

Be careful. This will change your life. I will be perfectly honest here. Things will get worse before they get better. Be prepared for all kinds of ripples in your life. They do not want you to remember, so there is programming in place to make you sick, to emotionally sabotage yourself, even to hurt yourself through drugs or alcohol.  Be aware that you have work to do and be resolute in your desire to know yourself. Be ruthless with your memories, stick to fact and reality as you know it to be true. Do not waver. Take care who you speak to about this, as it will be used against you.  Take care to have support; lone wolf programming is very strong in milabs, find others like yourself that you can share with.  Research.  Give yourself uplifting moments every day.  GROUND yourself through gardening or taking long walks.  Seek out all that is real and tactile to base yourself on two strong feet.  Eat well, try to sleep more, and do not alter your state of mind through the use of drugs or alcohol.  Meditate, try out yoga, relax.  Cry when you have to and do not suppress emotions, yet do this safely for yourself and for others.

Most helpful is knowing that I am not alone in this. Long live the internet. I’ve gotten the most solace through interacting and talking with others like myself. Sites like the Project Avalon Forum have been instrumental to my healing. Also, ditching my ego and my ridiculous notion that I could handle all of this by myself. What we do not know is far more interesting and revealing then what we do.

 

EL: This is a good point. I’ve also found that healing is a process that requires that we connect with others in such a way that a mutuality of benefit takes place to heal one another. I’ve mentioned this in the “Dark Side of Cupid“ book in the Healing, Awareness and Recovery section. I think what often binds us to “try to do it all alone” is conditioning by our society, and especially the patriarchal program. Shame is also the biggest deterrent to healing, but also the defenses which keep us bound to avoidance of the pain of what our heart can tell us. Our emotions are actually the key, and this requires an open heart connection. When we can connect with others from a mutual heart space, is when authentic change and profound healing can take place. I am saddened by so many people—especially men who “keep to themselves” and have conditioning that tells them “they must be strong and do it all alone” and “I don’t need help or counseling”. When people make these statements defensively, they tend to be the ones who really need counseling and healing. And because they refuse to acknowledge their own lack of healing, they inadvertently hurt others through their denial and defensive behaviors. If they can let go of their defenses  and longstanding beliefs and programs, a whole new way of being opens up leading to a heart centered happiness. I can’t tell you how many times I hear this from people seeking answers and yet their egos forge the way to stop them because they are too proud or too “stuck in programs” to even to admit to themselves that “they need help”. This actually stops the expansion of awareness and empowerment process in my view.  What you said about “Line Wolf Programming” is so true within the milab experience and those who have gone through any kind of abductions or MK Ultra programming. I think the Matrix sets us up to be this way too, since rejection is so common when we really speak out about what “really happened to us”. Most people just can’t handle the truth.

I appreciate your sharing honestly about your experience and opinions on your healing journey.

 

Whistleblower Randy Cramer Tells About Secret Military Operations on Mars

Disclaimer: I do not necessarily agree with the views, opinions or statements of those I interview. Furthermore, I firmly believe that the consistent dedication to healing, recovery and clearing of traumas and interdimensional entities/parasites is extremely important for ANY whistleblower, milab, supersoldier or alien abductee giving testimony.

Note: Images have been resized and the multiple copy issue is being resolved.

By Eve Lorgen

Randy Cramer-aka-Captain “Kaye”, a former milab “supersoldier” I Interviewed back in 2006, code named “Zed” (See: http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/military-abduction-milabs-and-reptilians/interview-with-a-milab-supersoldier-recovered-from-military-and-reptilian-drac-control/0/

is going public with his testimony about his service for the Mars Defense Force. The MDF is part of the Earth Defense Force, a UN “Unacknowledged Special Access Program”. His recruitment in 1987 into the “US Marine Corps Special Section” began a 20 year tour of duty working for the Mars Defense Force, which is the primary defense unit that protects the Mars Colony Corporation. This defense unit recruits people from many military services globally to protect the interests of the MCC, which consists of five civilian space colonies. Aries Prime is the main human “headquarters” on Mars, and is located inside of a crater.

According to Randy, the atmosphere on Mars is breathable, and the temperature there could be warm at times. He says there are two main indigenous species on Mars, both of which are highly intelligent. Essentially an aggressive reptilian species and an Insectiod species, both of whom were equally capable of defending their territories on Mars. There are bases both on the surface and underground. The indigenous Martian species, a reptoid, “old clan warrior class” are not particularly interested in expanding their territory, only maintaining it.Earth Defense Force Logoc

The EDF’s purpose is to protect the Mars Colony Corporation, and as long as these human interests did not encroach on the territory of the indigenous Martians, then relations there would be stable. However, as Randy tells of his experiences and secret operations while on Mars, maintaining peaceful relations is not always easy. After 17 years into his duty serving the EDF, a covert operation to retrieve ancient Reptilian temple artifacts within a Martian Cave resulted in a disastrous battle. Out of 1000 soldiers, only 28 survived, Randy being among one of the fortunate survivors.

Randy is continuing to retrieve his paperwork and documentation which validates that there is evidence of the Mars Defense Force, Lunar Operations Command, and Mars Colony Corporation as part of the breakaway civilization that is in continuous interaction with various ET species. It is not a black and white situation, as there are species who are considered extremely dangerous, neutral and benevolent.Mars Defense Force Logo-1c

In reality, for most milab programs, the training starts long before the person is into adulthood or formally “recruited” into a particular branch of military covert operations. For Randy, his first abduction memory occurred at 3 years old or possibly younger, after which the “secret military” took advantage of his “hybrid upgrades” and placed him into a supersoldier project for 14 years as part of the Special Section of the USMC. Project Moonshadow* was actually the childhood program that prepped him for later service for the Mars Defense Force tour of duty. Then at age 17 in 1987 Randy was put into a block of soldiers who were sent to serve the Earth Defense Force. He was then contracted out from the EDF to work for the Mars Defense Force, which is the main defense contractor for the Mars Colony Corporation. He spent 20 years total, the last 2 and 3/4 years which were as a Captain on an airwing attached to the EDSS Nautilaus, under the command of Captain Montgomery Kirkland. At the end of Randy’s tour of duty, he and others were rotated back to the moon for debrief (Luna Operations) for reverse aging, a process that took several weeks to prepare him to be inserted back into his original timeline, 1987. The debrief consisted of memory suppression of his training and duties and some tests to determine the effects of influence of ET consciousness from Mars on his person. Randy’s memories of his ”return before age regression” period included being shown off to some military brass, some gladiator style fighting, and many medical tests and procedures. This reverse aging process was also described by former supersoldier Michael Relfe, of whom I also interviewed many years ago. (See: http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/military-abduction-milabs-and-reptilians/interview-with-michael-and-stephanie-relfe-of-the-mars-records/)

Other testimonies about the existence of secret bases and operations on Mars have come forward, such as the great granddaughter of President Eisenhower, Laura Magdalene Eisenhower (https://sites.google.com/site/lauramagdalene/home/2012-and-the-ancient-game). She claimed that covert efforts were made to recruit her to join a colony on Mars. Andrew Basiago of Project Pegasus (See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9xj2k-nw2o) also came forward with his experiences on Mars, and its breathable atmosphere, as well as some hostile animal species on the surface.

In my interview with Randy, I ask many pointed and personal questions about his memory retrieval, recovery process and ways of life in undercover operations. Spirituality plays a large part in Randy’s life as well as his continued healing and self empowerment journey. Without a solid connection to his “higher Self” and intense desire to be free, Randy would never have survived to tell about his experiences. He is an inspiration because of his resiliency, determination to be free and his willingness to fight for human freedom.

Note from Randy: *Project Moonshadow was the childhood program, there were 300 of us in the original program, about an 80/20 split of boys and girls. Project Moonshadow is/was a USMCss cooperative program with the Bronze ones.  In 1987 I was officially transferred to USMCss general service pool.  That pool (of about 10,000 personnel) was sent to Luna Operations Command  (LOC) for individual assignments in the EDF system.

Interview Questions by Eve Lorgen

1. Randy can you explain the dates when you enlisted into the military (Navy?) and when you were formally discharged? 

A: Let me first clarify that my covert drafting into a marine corps program is my military background.  My attempt to enlist in the Navy was some sort of attempt, on my part, to do something that I fit in with.  My leaving the Navy was a direct order from my Marine chain of command, as this would result in a conflict of duty and obligation and might disrupt my memory shell that was keeping everything contained.  Then to answer your question I enlisted into the US Navy around June of 1988 and was done by Jan 1, 1989. Very brief.  Right after boot camp I was approached by two men who were sent to extract me, so they could tinker with my programming and then I’d leave the Navy through my own actions, although those actions were programmed.

2. Why did you decide to go public with your story now?

A: After 3 years of trying to get access to my records through my congressman’s office, I was contacted by a former Commander who put me in touch with a Brigadier General who said my orders had changed and that I was to make plans to go public, publish books, do interviews, whatever necessary to get the job done. Or more simply put to your query, direct orders from my lawful chain of command.

3. When did  you seriously start investigating your own history, and when did any flashbacks or bleed-through memories surface?  

A: Age 27-30 was a period of time with a lot of the memory shell starting to crack open.  As I think I mentioned on the phone, it is my current belief that this cracking and eventual  removal of the memory shell was intentional and timed.  By age 30 I was seriously trying to solve the puzzle, by age 33 I had a raw framework based on highly traumatic events, by 35, the memory shell was Swiss cheese and I could  see the forest and the trees  for the first time. It was truly shocking. My ego certainly collapsed and I thought my entire identity was coming apart.  Turned out it was just trying to hatch out of the memory shell.  I got over myself and decided I just needed to do my job. I haven’t really struggled with it since. Sure, there’s been continuing issues to sort out, but I’ve known who and what I am for some time, and I’m very clear on that.

4. In what order did you do self-healing and recovery methods–for example you mentioned in the 2006 interview that you had a healer perform an exorcism-type of spirit release work on you. Then, after this basic spirit release work, was when you were better able to communicate with your “higher Self”. Tell me what this felt like as opposed to other “voices in the head” or telepathic messages that often occur with MILABS and abductees.

A:  I’ll say two things about the higher Self before I answer that. My training is that to truly and accurately connect with your higher Self, you first have to be able to connect with your lower Self. Your seven chakras are “you” and are the sandwich between those two Selves.  Your higher Self is the eighth chakra, the lower Self is beneath the root chakra, below your feet, at the bottom of the prana tube that runs through your body. Having made that connection, your higher Self can have a way of making it VERY clear that you’re in communication with Him/Her. When “other” beings, even handlers that I think have good intentions, there is still a feeling of being invaded by something from outside of you. When you hear your higher Self, it’s a lot more like feeling  some other part of you has been missing your whole life and then you and it are “home” again, once you reunite.  It’s a very moving and emotional experience.  But the major earmarks are the positive sensations.  There’s certainly a bliss component. But also an empowering component. An experience that now, with your higher Self with you, there’s nothing you couldn’t do, but because your higher Self is present, this doesn’t become an ego state of narcissistic flawlessness or some other crazed sense of self importance. Just the very clear realization that all things are possible being connected with your higher Self.  Mine used and uses mirrors.  I know it may sound a bit odd to some, but I can look into a mirror and say the mantra and do the tone (that my higher Self taught me the first time we spoke) to connect to Him, and the entire reflection in the mirror goes away and all I see is my higher Self and where He resides. It was the COOLEST thing ever the first time it happened, but then I got a bit spooked by it, and for a long time wouldn’t look in a mirror, afraid of what I’d see.  I thought I might be losing it.  However, mirrors never do anything other than reflect a mirror image at me when I look at them, except when I talk to my higher Self, then and only then does he show Himself. So it’s consistent and without deviation, so I’m confident in the practice now. The mirror is still just a reflecting device, it’s just reflecting back something more cosmic that one might think is possible for a mirror to reflect. This much is certain.  Your higher Self will never want you to do anything that surrenders your free will. So if something is trying to convince you that you’re not free, nor should you be, that’s definitely NOT your higher Self.

5. In your earlier interview you mentioned reptilians, draco, human military and other types of aliens. Recently you told me some bronze type of ET, as well as Saurians, Arcturans, Andromedans and other black-cloaked, shadowy “head figures” you realized later to be an aged reptilian masquerading as some powerful dark Lord. Tell me about the Bronze beings, and which ones you consider enemies to humanity and which ones are neutral or even benevolent to humanity.

A:   That’s a lot in one question, I’ll do my best. The Bronze ones, also refer to themselves as the Grandchildren of the Great Dragon Li. They believe that the Galaxy is sentient and that they’re job is much like white blood cells in the body of the galaxy. They’re goal is to rid all planets in the galaxy of “cancer” and “disease” as they put it. We’re neither to them, we’re a part of the Gaian ecosystem that should have opportunity to flourish, but “infections” by other species and by a sociopathic strain in our own species  threaten the whole ecosystem  of the entire planet,  and subsequently the entire solar system and this corner of the galaxy, potentially. They would like to stop what’s here before it spreads.  Culling back the population to a few hundred million and starting over is an option for them, but they consider it very wasteful and would prefer to save the species, as is, while removing the harmful components. Much in the way a surgeon would rather do the delicate and complicated surgery to save the whole patient, if possible, but will amputate both arms and legs to keep the patient alive, if that’s the only option left to them.

My recollection from the EBE manual is a color coded system with four categories which all known species fall under. Green is for friendly species, White is for neutral/observer/non-interactive species. Yellow is for “potentially hazardous/unpredictable/may result in death” species, and Red for “Hostile”. The bulk of the manual is classified as White (neutral), with a handful in Green and dozen or more in the Yellow and 6 or 7 in the Red. The Red categories that I can recall are 1.Draconian reptoid, 2. Zeta I A’s and zeta I B’s (often referred to as Grey’s by civilians, as Whites by insiders) 3. Betelgeuse III’s (Harians) , and 2 others listed as “Non-Corporeal, Amorphous, Shadow Type A and Type B.  Several in the Green category that I can remember would include, but not be limited to (and may have changed) Centauri, Vegans, Tau Cetians, Procynions, and some secretive warrior race called the AK-KA, no idea where they are from, no idea what they look like.  But they were in the list, and it stood out because it was weird. That’s about all I recall off the top of my head.

6. Can you share some of the operations and duties you carried out while on the Mars Defense Force?  

A: Our primary mission was defense of Forward Station Zebra and Grids 87-125 and 227-277 of Mars Colony “Vulcan” Settlement, named after the blacksmith of the same name. Secondary duties were to aid other divisions protecting the “Vulcan” settlement grid. And when organized by command, to assault or join other forces in assaulting native Martian hives of insectoids and reptoids–the two sentient species on Mars, other than us. We mostly operated in a powered armor/EV suit using some sort of gauss rifle, or rail gun as our primary field weapon. We were kept busy.  If we weren’t fighting, we were training.  Yes, we had “rec time”, but we spent an amazing number of hours training for future combat missions.

7. What about black operations on Earth for our own military? 

A: Nothing exceptional or that I’d prefer to comment on.  I recall crawling through jungles on three continents, and working with SEAL teams, Recon teams, and “other” teams using black fatigues and no insignia.

8. One of the most important things I feel need elaborating on is the type of programming you were put under. In the earlier interview you stated a dragon being helping you. Can you tell me a bit about the Dragon being who initially helped you with decoding the sophisticated mind control programming? What did you learn later from experience or your own higher Self, about this dragon being, and the programming details? 

A: It appears in this entire process, “piggy-backers” and “parasites” of various kinds, can detect the presence of the main handlers in a MILAB situation, and will attach and/or use the system of implants in place to try and use the subject for their own purposes.  The Dragon being was a parasite.  He did a very interesting job of making me think I needed him, when I did not. It was simply an evolution process for me to be able to “see” what was real and what was deception.  Programming details are hard to describe, when I’m looking at them in meditative theta states, they appear like lines of computer code.  It was clear that what I was deleting was all “added software” a lot like malware, when I think about it.  Downloaded by an ET hacker.  I spent 90 minutes a night for a year deleting line after line after line. Very tedious work.

9.  Can you say a bit about what we discovered when doing our hypnotherapeutic work with respect to the “Hero” Telius, a spiritual being who was melded with you, based on being in the same genetic line from ancient Atlantis?  

A:  That is curious. His name is Talus. I’m still not 100% certain what that’s all about. I’d rather not comment with incomplete data, but I’m working on it. I’m taking it seriously.

10. In hindsight can you explain how your own mind perception was being blocked from clear communication with your eternal Soul essence (higher Self) when we did the Dynamic Triad Color Test?  

A: Dorica seemed to think it was a soul from Atlantis that was being “stored” inside me. I’m not so sure that’s correct.  I’m not saying I have a definitive alternative answer, but I’m not convinced she’s correct.  I don’t think there was an interference. It seemed to work just fine and brought me a ton of enlightening data that has proven very useful.  I was having some problems with people above my chain of command whom the General said are “soulless pricks who can suck my johnson”, just prior to that session and things cleared up considerably after that.

11. Can you describe the military super soldier programming and alter personality creation, and how this may be different with what you described as an “over personality” and an “under personality” creation? Is this latter form of identity an alien/ET based type of programming? How do implants help with this type of programming? 

A:  During the separation of personalities it’s a bit confusing.  Post breaking away of the outer personality, also referred to as the memory shell, I can speak clearly on this.  In my case, the outer personality was created to hold down the inner personality, for a finite period of time. The inner personality is my true personality. The techniques used to make me have been described to me as “with the grain” style programming as opposed to most “against the grain” styles of programming that try to force supersoldiers to kill anything, anytime, anywhere, and as human animals, most of us just aren’t made that way, so we resist, so the main function becomes suppressing the urge to resist. Not with creating the best supersoldier you can, just the most compliant.  “With the grain” style doesn’t try to create something that kills on command, but rather has deep seated instincts to protect its tribe and its territory when threatened.  So as long as you can explain the threat credibly, the soldier will use all of its strength and cunning to destroy any that would harm those its genetically predisposed to protect.  The more oppressive controls put in by the “soulless pricks” as the Gen likes to call them, were meant to be sorted out over time, which they were. The original design seems to be quite intricate as it seemed to account for an amazing number of variables that were calculated to work out, so the outer personality/memory shell would crack, fall apart, come clean away, and then the inner personality/core identity would be able to self heal and recover and ready itself for further instructions, while maintaining an incredible amount of free will, which I did. The implants are varied since there are several different types that I know are in my body somewhere.  Some are simple geo-locaters or an audio/video link. Others that allow virtual teaching and training when you’re asleep. In my case, a host of nannites with the ability to restore cellular damage and fight unique infections. I’ve used them to heal nerve damage twice, on my own, so I can operate them as I see fit. Implants, regardless of what type, allow some kind of two way communication so the handlers can receive data and send instructions to the subject.  It’s a very complicated and varied field of covert science. The more I learn about it, the more respect I have for it as very sophisticated and very well thought through technology. Which does make it that much more insidious, at times, and problematic to deal with.  If I’ve said it once, I’ll say it a billion times, a yoga teacher of mine said to me, “How lucky for you that you have these machines in your body, what a gift to be given, because if they are in your body, they belong to you, not the men who put them there.”  That was one of the most illuminating things anyone ever said to me, and it was the beginning of my implants being under my control and not under the control of those who put them there. The simple perception change on the matter of ownership.

12. In many of our conversations we’ve discussed how certain factions of the “secret government military” wanted to create a super soldier/hero who was created to want to defend  his/her country/world on a non-controlled environment. In other words, more of a true superhero for the defense of the country or human race against malevolent alien/ET threats.  You have stated it may not be as “black and white” as some researchers and MILABs claim in terms of the military or aliens being all  “ good or evil”.  Do they ever have any deep concerns about how many people are being “taken over” by malevolent alien types of entities such as possession, (like in the government) and how serious this psychopathic population really is now? Can you say something about this?     

A: It would appear that what was once a fairly cohesive effort by a handful of covert programs to deal with the ET/exobiological/technological issues, is no longer cohesive or just a hand full, at all. It seems that it has degraded into a feudal style conflict where every deep black program director who has a measure of control in the larger equation is refusing to share data while trying to steal and acquire everyone else’s data, while trying to keep his/her sub programs hidden so they cannot be stolen.  Alliances are made and broken.  All high tech is just used to spy and steal from each other with the hope that whoever wins the “Deep Black race” will get to rewrite all the rules and make the world in their image. Because, quite simply, there will be NO ONE to stop them from doing so, with all the competition eliminated or left in the dust.  My chain of command has expressed deep concern over what they feel is a scenario under which a certain percentage of the system has been compromised. This may be by undue influence from “unfriendly” ET’s, it may be in part due to an infectious mental illness that has swept through the upper classes who are so high on their on hubris they don’t see the very hard wall at the end of this very short road we are all approaching very quickly.  A combination of both or possibly other variables are involved. Regardless, if the system is compromised by more than 51% or the gears grind down below 75% of normal, than conditions exist to set something in motion known to USMCss personnel as Article 21.(This is not the same as Agenda 21) Article 21, mandates all USMCss Officers in Service for Life (we retire when we die, literally) to take measures to prepare for conditions under Article 22.  Let’s all hope we can solve it before that.

13. In your experiences did you ever witness any occult, black magic or ritual types of activities in connection with your MILAB or alien handlers at any time?

A:  Not as a primary way of doing anything, but there seem to be residual memories of a few “strange” events in which occult symbolism or ritual was used.  These memories are like the memories of medical procedures, which are fuzzy from heavy drugging.  I can only assume it’s for a similar reason,  that drugs were used to prevent subjects from recalling those events with any great accuracy.

14.  Can you say anything about the code of ethics and behaviors concerning sexual relationships or even marriage within these “secret MILAB environments” during ones tour of duty? I’ve heard from numerous MILABs who recall having sexual encounters, often time rapes in these environments or even sexual liaisons being used as a tantric exercise in certain situations. Married MILABs in their outer, “normal life” may regularly have sexual relationships with other MILABs in these secret operation environments because they are twinned or bonded for specific reasons. What do you think the secret government knows about this and why do they have such sexual ethics? Or non ethics….

A:  Knowing what I do about Tantric Physics, sexual energy, kundilini, as well as more bio-physiologically explained processes, I’ll say this:  To enhance the mental abilities, psychic tools of test subjects, whether voluntary or not, rape accesses dark energy that some of the ET’s have taught the humans leading these deep black programs, how to manipulate.  Again, I have to make a distinction between the program in which I was trained and others.  When I was very young (4 or 5 years old) I was sexualized by my handlers to open up neural pathways and expand my psychic development.  I wasn’t raped, but neither was it an act of free will on my part.  Again, it was “with the grain” training, so as to attempt to make the process less traumatic and the subject (me in this case) should be more stable and less psychologically fragile. Drugging was also involved as this stage in an attempt to reduce mental and physical trauma. It’s a separate answer about the sexual behavior of personnel while I was in the MDF or EDF.  It was very “open”. Closed sexual relationships would have created a lot more conflict and a lot more violence among the troops. We were forbidden from marrying, but that didn’t stop my wife and I. We wanted to get married so we’d be there for each other after death. It may sound strange, but given the environment we were in, it made us feel more secure about living in it if we had a strategy for dying there.

As far as why they have this ethic or lack thereof?  They understand the tool and they use it.  Like a hammer, used to hit a nail or hit someone in the head.  It’s just a tool, how you use it defines the ethic or lack thereof.  Compare to any other weapon technology.  Men will use it to do what they can, ethics be damned, while others may have a deeper integrity and a counter philosophy in which the “how” is just as important as the “what” or “why”.  Hence the cluster-fudge between deep black programs, approaching civil war.  It’s very much split along the philosophy of ethics.  The message of my superiors is simple, if you want to build a better super soldier, you have to stop making murder machines.  They are inefficient and they can be turned against you.  Traumatizing your subjects makes them weak at the core, fragile, and short lived.  Compromise such a central tool, and the results could be nothing less than a hole big enough to drive an armada through.

15. Can you tell us about the unusual experiences you had while in the Navy, that you discovered in hindsight to be a type of mind controlled deception? (The church thing in San Diego and Camp Pendleton?)

A:   That’s such a funny/effed up story, I’ll be glad to relate it.  After Boot Camp while I was at apprenticeship school, I would take long walks around the NTC (San Diego, CA).  I would wander around the less populated areas of the base because I like to take quiet walks by myself.  One evening I was walking near the North Gate and I saw two men walking toward me.  Not another soul was to be seen, and they made a bee line for me.  One, tall, Caucasian, late 30’s, civilian dress.  The other, Philipino, late 30’s early 40’s, in Chiefs uniform (later claimed to be a master chief), he was ALWAYS wearing sunglasses, day or night and never unzipped his khaki jacket, so I could never see his name tag, or any other insignia on his uniform. The tall Caucasian, who claimed to be a “preacher” did all the talking. The Chief spoke maybe two sentences to me the entire time.  The Preacher was always driving, except when we drove north toward Camp Pendleton, the Chief drove. They wanted to know if I wanted to go to church.  Simply put, this meant a couple days or evenings a week I could get off base and out of extra duty.  So I said “sure”.   We visited the Preacher’s “church” twice. The first time we drove across town, to a neighborhood near Balboa Park.  We turned down a street in which the houses on the left and right were all IDENTICAL.  Walkways, doorways, windows on either side of the door.  All is pastel colors.  I could NOT have been able to come back and pick out which house was which. Very clever, I thought, on their part.

The first time, we walked in and I was treated to a small “church” setup in the tiny living room of this pastel cookie cutter bungalow.  6 wooden pews on either side.  A white arch over the “stage”(3 inch raised platform) and two fake flower stands on either side.  Looked like it all could have been rented from a wedding rental company.  There were no posters or inspirational placards up on the wall.  Which was odd, evangelical churches LOVE to put up propaganda on the walls, scriptures, inspirational quotes and imagery.  The Preacher stood up front with his “wife” and the Chief sat in the back, arms crossed, jacket zipped up tight, sunglasses on, hat off.  Silent the whole time.  I sat on the left side of pews in the fifth row back.  On the right side, second pew was a Caucasian man, early 40’s, balding, comb over, glasses, mustache, pear shaped, wearing an brownish orange polo shirt and walnut brown slacks with a leather belt, and loafers.  He smiled, shook my hand once (weakly) and said “hello” and never spoke again.  He sat with his eyes open, looking at his folded hands in his lap, most of the time.  After that first time, I never saw him again.

In the pew in front of me and slightly to my left was an elderly couple “from the Midwest”.  I only did a couple years of theatre in high school, but I learned a couple of things.  That’s how to dress and do hair and make up for an audience.  The man’s hair was perfect.  In the back and in the front, as if it was done by a hairdresser.  Not ONE hair was out of place on this guy’s head.  His suit looked a style from the 40’s and it seemed to be a size too small for him, as if this was his Sunday suit for the last 30 years that he only wears on Sunday.  Fine, but the fabric of the suit was less than a couple of years old, no matter how well maintained it was.  Like it was pulled from the costume rack.  The woman was wearing a blue dress with white polka dots, white gloves, black leather purse, blue hat and her hair in a bun.  The dress looked like a size too big (again, like it was off the costume rack), and her hat looked a size too big,  and after they said “hello” they both sat there, motionless and looking ahead or sitting with their eyes half closed. Everyone figits. Even if just a little, people figit in their seats.  These two sat like statues, posing (white gloved hands on purse in lap, never moving.)  Not a scratch, not a sneeze, not a cough, not a whisper, not a glance right or left.  And they didn’t look average at all.  They were both “good looking” and “symmetric” like professional actors.  They were dressed and made up like actors, they sat like actors.  I never saw them again after this one time.  It really seems like they were there to make me feel “comfortable” and safe.

The second time I came back to their “church” it was just the Preacher, his “wife” the Chief and I. No one else was there or ever showed up again.  The line they fed me about how they wander around the San Diego area trying to get sailors and marines to go to church was wearing thin, as I was always the ONLY sailor or marine present.  Why just me?  Why no one else?  We were always getting warned about con artists or spies that might try and take advantage of us, but they never tried to get me to sign anything or give them any information, EVER.  They just wanted me to come hang out with them.

The third time they wanted to take me up north to meet a colleague “preacher”.  We drove up the Freeway north, and they had a freshly opened case of “Snapple” from Costco and kept asking if I was thirsty.  I had a water with me, and said I was fine.  My intuition was screaming at me, “don’t drink anything they offer you”, but I thought I was being paranoid and eventually took one.  Soon after I started slipping down into the back seat, not unconscious, but feeling “drugged” and unable to physically move.  We drove up to the North end of Camp Pendleton near the artillery range.  The Chief got out of the car and had a key to the padlock on the gate.  There was no gate guard.  We drove out to the artillery range where there was TRB-3 style vehicle there to pick me up. The Preacher and the Chief got me out the car and handed me to two guys in flight suits who dragged me up the gangplank and into the ship.  It’s a long story what happened after that, but afterward,  they brought me back to the same spot and the Preacher and the Chief were there to pick me and take me back to base.  I was late by ten minutes and almost got chewed out by the Duty Petty Officer, but when I showed him the business card of the Preacher and said I was “at church” he just grumbled “get in there, church boy, you’re late”.    

16.  How is your handler and superiors treating you now that you have decided to go public? Do they still want to use you in secret operations?

A: When I started the legal process to gain access to my personnel files, I felt like I had been abandoned by my superiors and I was prepared to do what I had to do to take care of myself.  I was very clear with my congressman’s office I was trying to keep in compliance with my non-disclosure statements.  I was willing to give them minimal information on where to look and how to ask for my personnel files.  I also told his aide that I would debrief the congressman on what I knew, as I felt he had a constitutional “need to know”, regardless of compartmentalization.  He declined, but they were friendly and helpful (to a point) to try and file the SF-180 and the privacy act release form to go to the various record keeping agencies  and try and track them down.  It was clear after about a year that I was at a dead end unless I could get legal representation (NO ONE has wanted to touch my case with a 10′ pole, all attempts to contact Daniel Sheehan on this matter have met with no response.  I’m not putting blame on Daniel for this, just saying those are the facts. I’ve tried, none of my messages have gone through or been answered or whatever the reason.  After listening to Linda Moulton Howe recently talk about how her attempt to contact a witness by phone and his to contact her by phone as well, was blocked by someone with access to the telecom system for a full five days before they finally got in touch with one another, both with the same question, “how come you didn’t call me or answer my calls?”, I just have to wonder sometimes.

To get back to your question, after two years, I was contacted by a former commanding officer. Col. Jamieson.  We argued, I yelled and called him names, told him I felt betrayed and that if he expected ANY co-operation from me of ANY kind, he better have a damn good reason and have some answers as to the issues of my benefits, my awards and ribbons, and my credentials and my credibility by getting access to my personnel files.  I was satisfied with the de-briefing he gave me, and after some heated back and forth, we came to an agreement I felt had been achieved through genuine and effective diplomacy.  When I had agreed to listen to my orders, while reserving the right to refuse any and all orders that might violate my officer’s oath or any moral or ethical standards that I thought should take priority. Essentially I’d refused to be anybody’s dog, but I’d be willing to consider mutual interest if the reasoning was convincing enough for me. He put me in touch with a man identifying himself as Brigadier General Smythe. General Smythe gave me a fairly long winded explanation about the “soulless pricks” on “the committee” that he was supposed to answer to and the serious disagreements by USMCss brass with said committee. Without elaborating, I was satisfied with his explanation of the situation on his end, and when he personally gave me the go ahead (he said, and the quotes are his words “I’m giving you the go ahead to go public with everything you know.”) when I said, “Everything?” he said, “EVERYTHING!” and we had a deal.  As long as I had the assurance that my direct chain of command was behind me and that I had “no restrictions” on truthful content, I knew it was for real and that he was for real.  No one, not even an enemy would want me to do that or tell me to do that. He even said I could use his name, which I just did, to let the people who need to know, that I answer to him, and to him only, and if they don’t like it, they can take it up with him, or the CMC.  Let me be perfectly clear about this, I do NOT answer to anyone outside of my chain of command.  If they’re outside of my chain of command, I don’t answer to them, period.

17. Did you ever feel a noticeable difference being on another planetary body, where you were no longer in connection with the “earth” energy?  Were your dreams different while stationed on Mars base? Was telepathy easier in these places?

A: That’s a great question and a big YES.  Being on Mars, one is definitely connected to the planetary energy of Mars.  I won’t paint it two dimensional with something like “being more war like”, give me a break, the level of violence burning through humans on planet Earth because of the intense Gaia energy is VERY war like.  It’s a more complex and subtle system of differences.  Suffice it to say that there is no question on another world that you are no longer on Earth. Dreaming is a mix. Because we’re so close to hundreds of other terrestrial Earthlings, we collectively dream together (like we do here on Earth) but also blend into the collective unconscious of Mars and the terrestrial Martians. If we ever talked about it (which we did from time to time) if one spoke of having one of those “weird Mars dreams”, you knew what they meant. We’d all had them at one time or another.   Telepathy is a trickier question since we were equipped with a special implant just for “radioless” communication.  Not sure how to gauge “natural telepathy” on another world, since we had augmented implants for augmented telepathy.

18. Did you and your team mates on the Mars Defense Force ever pray together and did you experience a spiritual support system or connection with “Source” while there?

A: We were prohibited from any overt practice of any kind. Some of us would practice a “death ritual” before going into battle.  It was something that was passed around the troops, and command turned a blind eye as long as it wasn’t made into a “big deal”.  It was something we would do as a squad, and some other squads would do the same thing, in their barracks before combat.  It went a little something like this.

“We are dead.  Our lives our forfeit.  Today our souls are committed to eternity.  We go into to battle to reclaim our lives and prove our worthiness to live in our bodies.  We are dead.  There is no fear of death today, no fear of pain, no fear of loss, for we are already dead, and the dead do not fear.  If we are found worthy, we will return with the trophies of our souls, ours to give, ours to live.”

I suppose that’s some kind of ritual to connect ourselves to some kind of source.  We didn’t think of it that way, but I suppose in retrospect, it qualifies.

19. And did Mars or the Moon in your opinion have a spiritual presence like Earth has Gaia/Sophia?

A: Mars definitely has its own spiritual presence.  The natives call it Gaa’Lu’Ka or She’Na.  It has a female personality to them. We often think of Mars as this masculine god of war figure, but to the natives, She is definitely a She. More like a Kali-ma figure.  Very warrior like, but definitely female.

Luna (Earth’s moon) is a bit trickier. Luna is very close to Gaia, so you can still feel the influence of Earth there.  I didn’t spend enough time there to really comment on Luna’s personal spiritual center, but she has a consciousness, that’s certain.

20. When they shipped in supplies like food, did you know what ports or stargates they sent these supplies from? I imagine they needed fresh fruit and vegetables from Earth. did they grow anything there on the base like hydroponics?

A: Everything was very compartmentalized. I couldn’t tell you about where they grew the food, where it all came from. My best guess (from all available data) is that some was grown locally (where, I can’t say for certain) and some was traded or brought in from elsewhere. We would get strawberry ice cream and strawberry pie, that the cooks swore didn’t have a single strawberry in it, but some other non-terrestrial fruit. They weren’t supposed to talk about it, but hinted at it often enough, I consider it confessional.

21.  I know we mentioned a little about the sexuality issue, since it was mostly men and they wanted to “reduce violence” or competitiveness with available women, etc. Did they ever regularly rape the women there? Reason I’m asking is that this is a common report for female Milabs and MK ultra mind-controlled slaves. They are often used for sexual servicing among other things, and especially occult weaponry tactics. Did the Mars Base bring in prostitutes or women for the men to be serviced while you were there?

A: That’s a great point.  How command, intelligence and HQ at the MCC (Mars Colony Corporation) conducted themselves regarding these issues might give some insight into the general attitude towards women or their own sexual behaviors and appetites. Since I know next to nothing about the conduct of these personnel, I can’t really say. For us, the troops on the ground, morale was way too important, and troop cohesiveness too important to put female soldiers in such a victimizing position. On the Nautilus, again, not being privy to the command section or the engineering section, I can’t say what was taking place there, but troop morale was a priority.  I was involved in a relationship with a younger female officer/pilot that wasn’t abusive, but was pretty manipulative and unkind on my part.  When word got up to the Old Man, I was punished severely and it was made very clear that treating my female comrades with anything less than equal respect would be met with harsher and harsher consequences until the behavior stopped.  I didn’t need to be told twice.

The behavior you’re talking about, female soldiers being raped to ramp up their kundalini energy, is used a lot in the psychic spying/remote viewing programs. This would be an intelligence dept issue, primarily. I can’t comment, since I never worked in that area of intel.  I certainly think this human rights issue is one of the most important issues surrounding the use and treatment of super soldiers and remote viewers.  My earlier training would have more of those types of episodes than my deployment.  Yet again, because Project Moonshadow was a different type of program, attempting to lessen the traumatic events it takes to create a soldier from front to back. I can only comment on what I know, and can’t comment on departments and divisions working in secret and totally separate from my duties.

22. Were you ever instructed not to utter the word of “Jesus Christ” on any of these bases? (I’ve heard it said that in some underground bases below a certain level on the Earth they are not allowed to speak this name.

A: Again, we were prohibited from any overt religious or spiritual practice.  I can certainly recall “Jesus Christ” being uttered plenty of times, but as a exclamation. Par example, “Jesus Christ, did you see the size of that thing?”

Dr.Michael Sallas’s interview with Captain Kaye can be found here: 

http://exopolitics.org/whistleblowers-claims-he–17-years-at-secret-mars-military-base/

Part 1:  Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vj4N2RHYc0

Part 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCTYkYcYuI0

Part 3 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWLZwD4qq2c&list=UUMigail07yqgyiPeJZBvNjg&index=9

Part 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwinDEomGvM&list=UUMigail07yqgyiPeJZBvNjg&index=5

Part 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7HHvecN7rA&index=3&list=UUMigail07yqgyiPeJZBvNjg

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Interview of Eve Lorgen by Corvo in English

1/27/014

This is a written interview of me from an Italian colleague and researcher/author named Corvo. This interview is originally in Italian and can be found at: http://corvide.blogspot.ca/2014/01/il-lato-oscuro-di-cupido-sovrannaturale.html

An earlier post in Italian regarding my work and book, “The Love Bite” can also be found at: http://corvide.blogspot.ca/2013/03/alien-love-bite.html

1) Eve , thank you for accepting this interview . To get started , can you introduce yourself and your work?

Thank you for doing the interview. Well, as many may already know I started out doing alien abduction research in the late 80’s and continued on with this as I started doing counseling and hypnotherapy with people who have had alien visitations. I used to work in the Biotech field in California (San Diego area) until I decided to change my career into counseling psychology. While getting my Masters degree, I took a special interest in alien abduction research and also came across survivors of MK Ultra, ritual abuse and milabs later on. Initially, I had hopes that the ETs taking people (and regarding my own experiences) were benevolent beings helping us spiritually and so on. But there was always a hunch deep down inside that there was something “off” with that because of the night terrors I had growing up, that I now realize were related to being taken. Also, because of the stories I heard, there was almost always the element of post traumatic stress and memory loss associated with most alien visitations. So to make a long story short, my research started in the late 80s and by the time 2000 rolled around I had written many non-fiction articles on the subject and wrote my first book, “The Love Bite: Alien Interference in Human Love Relationships”. This book is on the more taboo elements I had observed within the alien abductee and milab subpopulation and the inspiration for this book was not only my own experience or “alien love bite”, but the work of Dr. Karla Turner and Barbara Bartholic– the latter who became my mentor before and after my book was published. Both Turner and Bartholic are now dead unfortunately, and with unusual circumstances, I might add. It was Barbara Bartholic’s continued support, compassion and wisdom about the alien abduction phenomena that helped me understand my own experiences and how deep the “rabbit hole” really goes.

As I did more research, counseling with abductees and conducting a support group for abduction related traumas, I learned alot more than what was being reported publicly about alien abductions. And that is the milab element, the paranormal anomalies and experiences that abductees have that indicate the aliens are interacting on a much deeper level than simple “medical physical abductions” or even milab operations. It goes deep into the psyche on multidimensional levels of being. In other words, the aliens could interact and affect us in our interpersonal lives, relationship orchestrations, dream visitations and all kinds of testing and training scenarios, emotional testing, psychological and spiritual interactions. And of course what I termed the “distractions, disruptions and spiritual warfare element” of alien and milab investigations. This is actually what compelled me to write about the subject more than anything else. Of course all of this is in my first book along with case histories of abductees who knew their love relationship to be orchestrated, oftentimes from early childhood bondings and meetings with the aliens and their chosen targeted partner.

 2) Your latest book, “The Dark Side of Cupid : Love Affairs, The Supernatural and Energy Vampirism ,”further explores the theme of “Love Bite “. How to distinguish a positive, loving relationship from a vampiric one ?

Good question. One would think it would be obvious, but we must distinguish between a true energy vampire–love bite versus simple unresolved psychological issues that may manifest as interpersonal dfficulties. And the difference between a clear cut “alien love bite” and what I defined as a “Dark Side of Cupid” type of relationship. In the alien love bite drama, one or both partners is an abductee and they are often quite aware of which ETs/entities are involved in visiting them regularly. They may have specific memories of being taken by these entities from childhood and then brought together with another child( as children) or partner and put in situations under the aliens “experimental design” to observe and make sure that this couple will bond and develop a powerful connection when meeting later in life physically. In the alien love bite, we most often see the “high drama” and unconsummation themes or what is clearly described in the Love Bite book case histories. Oftentimes there is the sense of psychic energy vampirism, and yet both partners seem to be innocent in terms of how this is taking place. Either partner may not be an energy vampire but they both can be buffeted around in a manipulated drama by their alien handlers, who somehow (I believe) can siphon off the energy created through these intense dramas. As my investigations continued after the Love Bite book, I received more and more cases of what you would call the dark side of Cupid love bite, where the person, often a milab or abductee, seems to get set up over and over with a psychopathic type of partner who acts as an energy vampire, and who is observed to be hosted, partially possessed or fully hosted by a reptilian type of 4th dimensional entity. In the Dark Side of Cupid, the type of entity may vary and not even be perceived as an ET per se. In essence, the more unresolved and unhealed issues a person may have, this may enhance the probability of having interpersonal issues where they either act as an emotional vampire or they attract psychopathic types of partners as an interpersonal pattern. So in the DSOC book I go into great detail about emotional versus psychic vampires, hosts and predators and how to recognize ones own blind spots of unhealed wounds. I go into describing how we can communicate and interact with one another to avoid relationship problems that would make a love bite worse.

Of course a vampiric relationship is where one or both partners use and take energy and attention in a needy narcisscistic way, where love (if present at all) is more conditional and usually you will see some form of psychopathy in a vampiric relationship. In a regular and loving relationship there is mutual respect and awareness for energy exchange and the persons can draw upon their own divine essence, heart nature for energy, instead of having to always take it from another person. It is my belief that there are people and entities–like alien parasites–who lack a connection to the heart-soul divine essence. And when this is the case, they must seek emotional energy and “prana” from others because they either cut themselves off from their own source or they do not have a soul. (Or the soul is oppressed from the connection with mind and spirit in the body) Again, in the DSOC book I go into detail about this and why some people who have much trauma and unhealed wounds will actually cut off from their own core essence, to avoid emotional pain, and when they do this they become super needy for others wanting constant attention and love. Even if it’s negative attention, some people do this because they can not access their own source of divine core energy. With a vampiric relationship you may have a greater liklihood of having an attached entity whois connected to the primary energy vampire.

3) Can you illustrate a case from the book, that in your opinion is particularly interesting ?

Well, in the Love Bite book I’d say the case of John and Nadine had a more classic alien love bite orchestrated connection for what seemed to be the aliens purposes of selective breeding if they could and also to “prep” them for telepathic communication abilities for future use”. Janis and Alex is a good case and the Angelina and Steve case. The latter case exemplifies the milab, reptilian and love bite aspects which involve the more nefarious aspects of the entire drama. In the Dark Side of Cupid I categorized the types of cases into 4 main types categories from the milder cases to the severe ones with the hosted, predator-psychic vampire types of partners. In the last category of the severe cases it’s very obvious that it’s a manipulated relationship with something non-human interfering. Most are the third party entity type cases where some entity is sensed interfering in the relationship. I would say the Amy and Thomas is a good case to observe the energy vampirism issue with a definite entity overshadowing a partner. But all are pretty good cases that represent what happens in real life. The category I found quite revealing of evidence of New Age deceptions and corruption is the Mythic Dramas, Spirit Guides and Emotional Vampirism. In these cases some form of channelling was involved where the spirit guide entity(s) were the source of the relationship interference and energy vampirism. In such cases the individuals were not necessarily “alien abductees” with any kind of ET visitation history.

 4) From reading your book, it is clear that the aliens operate a real “micro management” of victim life, how can we imagine it ?

Oh yes, this was clearly evident early on when I started sharing more in depth the “secret lives” of abductees, contactees and milabs. Not all of them appeared “malevolent” in terms of involvement in someones life. There were many people who were genuinely spiritual, very sensitive and what some call “indigo” type people who seemed to be assisted by true benevolent spiritual guidance and also a negative disruptive element of milabs or negative ETs, or the positive versus negative ET wars. Such a case in the DSOC is the Becky and Cecil case. On the whole however, most of the micromanagement of these persons lives, when they are still being regularly “visited’, have many elements of their lives conditioned from a very early age. Beliefs, relationships, careers, etc. It’s like you can see a type of social engineering in a large portion of the abductee population, that I think now is a mixture of people truly wanting to get to the truth and those who are acting out their hidden conditioning and mind control programming from abductions. It is essential to be as self aware and honest with oneself as possible. Regression therapy is helpful in getting to the root of some traumatic experiences, or those you think are “ok” but upon closer examination may hold a hidden element which caused a deep subconscious belief or decision to be made which heavily affects ones course in life. I think if anyone has such a concern, their honest intentions to uncover their own truth will offset the programming. It’s all about awareness. Once we become aware of what affects us, we have power over whether to act or react to these triggers or choose another option. Responding differently.

 5)  Many human relationships end badly, with great suffering, how many of them due to the alien interference ?

I believe that the extradimensional interference factor is something going on behind the scenes more than we can imagine. And yet maybe this has always been so, and is part of the human condition for us to work through. Based on the Roper Poll of the early 1990s, it was estimated that about 2% of the population have had unusual experiences that fall into the alien abduction and near death experience categories. I think it’s more, personally. It’s about awareness of other dimensional realities and forms of life that we can interact with. I think the interference aspect has been noticed especially in the abduction, milab population but is also becoming more apparent with very highly aware spiritually focused people. Such a case is a recent blog post interview I did on 1/1/013 with an Indian pranic healer named Kailasnath.( See http://evelorgen.com/wp/news/twin-flames-liberation-and-enlightenment-from-a-vedic-perspective-interview-with-indian-pranic-healer-and-love-bite-experiencer-kailasnath/)

What I’m starting to see is very aware, sensitive and spiritually focused individuals realize, often in hindsight–that their relationships have been set up so that they are delayed or prevented from meeting their true love, soul mate or twin flame partner. Or simply the interference seems to be to prevent true love and harmonious love connections that enhance true sovereignty, liberation and truth. I have come across what appear to be positive set ups by aliens/ETs with people as well. Some were clearly serving the alien agenda deceptions and seemed to be rewarded with a love connection as long as they served that agenda. Then there were those who seemed to be set up or they were disrupted, but continued to maintain the powerful love connection despite the interference. In these cases, in order to maintain the sacred love connection, both partners had to be in full communication and enhanced awareness of the “interdimensional” reality, and then actively dealt with their own unique unhealed wounds which would complicate true intimacy and powerful love. In a non-interfered with relationship, these same issues of working out ones own personal obstacles is also important in order to have a more harmonious, compatible relationship. But when you have interference you know it. I mean it’s pretty obvious if it’s going on– the paranormal stuff, the high dramas, and artificially induced synchronicities. Basically you know it if you have it going on, and from then on you will be able to recognize it’s “energy signature”.

One of the interesting side effects of a love bite kind of relationship is that once you’ve had one, it can open up your sensitivities so that you are actually more aware after the fact. I think this could be due to how our energy system is amplified and opened up after such an experience. Plus the wisdom gained through such an experience.

 6) One of the most difficult things in dealing with the phenomenon is to discriminate between the spiritual, the psychological and the material aspects. What is your take on this?

Well, many in the UFO research and even alien abduction want to focus solely on material evidence. This is good because it’s nice to have a baseline of what types of physical evidence occur in alien abduction and contact cases, as well as milabs. These things tend to be physical landing marks, recovered craft, bodies, alien implants, flourescence markings, medical issues and evidence such as missing pregnancies or fetuses expelled that appear alien human hybrid. There was a case in Italy of a hybrid reptilian baby/fetus miscarried by an abductee. The medical issues abductees commonly report are gynecological anomalies, physical marks, scars, injection marks or signs of surgeries they do not recall ever having. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, missing time, etc. Then there are other things like knowledge of things they have not recalled ever learning such as advanced physics, alien languages or script, or other things they just “seem to know”, marital arts abilities, and things the aliens taught them in their “secret life” abduction reality.

Spiritually it’s not as easy to define, but the alien parasite issue that Dr. Corrado Malanga discovered in his research point to mental and spiritual parasites that affect the person “spiritually”. In one of my earlier supersoldier interviews with a man named “Zed”,(See http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/military-abduction-milabs-and-reptilians/interview-with-a-milab-supersoldier-recovered-from-military-and-reptilian-drac-control/ )

he described the subtle difference between the military mind control programming effects and triggers, behaviors versus the reptilian and draco influences. In the reptilian and draco influences it was more “seamless”, spiritual and subtle, and almost felt as if it was “part of him naturally” but in fact was not, after he did intense healing, spirit releasement and meditation for a year living in nature alone, basically. But now with Malanga’s liberation techniques and so many others coming out in the alternative healing community, such as Holographic Kinetics, there are shamanic methods and hypnotheapeutic ways of discovering these influences and eliminating them without fear.7

7) In many of your articles you make reference to the Italian Corrado Malanga . What are the author’s Italian concepts most relevant to your work?

Malanga’s work is genius, brilliant. I was so happy to come across his work and his honesty in his research. I found so many of the same things and have encountered much disagreement and censorship of the elements of spiritual attachments, parasites, paranormal interference, milab operations, virtual reality operations and of course the most taboo is the love bite itself. Malanga was able to determine how these aliens really operate by doing in depth hypnosis and NLP which could access the deeper soul aspect of the person. The soul aspect he referred to as “anima”. This is the part of a person that can exist in the eternal present, be aware of all that has occurred and access information and memories about the aliens true intentions and nature. The troubling aspect was how the aliens involvement, parasitism actually facilitated a disconnect and lack of internal coherence with the mind, spirit, soul of the person within their body. Once the connection was re-established and the parasites or Active Alien Memories (AAM)s neutralized, then the abductee had much better awareness and connection with their soul/heart and could deflect the abductions through awareness and the power of their integrated consciousness with soul power fully engaged. I found his work with the milabs, alien parasite life cycle and cloning or “copying” to be revelatory. (See http://flashmentalsimulation.wordpress.com/2012/01/13/global-picture-of-alien-interferences/ and http://flashmentalsimulation.wordpress.com/2012/01/13/the-cloning/)

So many milabs and abductees seemed to remember experiences or “milab operations” in another body much younger than their normal one, which revealed they were being transferred into cloned or copied bodies. Which is what some abductees like Ted Rice and other milabs have remembered but were never believed. (For example in the Masquerade of Angels book by Dr. Karla Turner and recapitulated in the Love Bite). Or, they were taken out of their human body and inserted into an alien body and then carried out jobs in their alien identity such as the Simon Parkes case in the UK.

8) One hot topic that you explore is the MILAB phenomenon. According to your research, what is the relationship between Aliens and the Military ?

Milabs are so fascinating, and seem to be a larger and larger part of the alien agenda in my view. But there also seem to be strictly alien contacts and abductions without military involvement. I think there are military/secret government organization factions which have made pacts with what appear to be certain alien species such as greys, reptilians, dracos, some Nordic types, mantis, etc., so that it seems the milab involvement of an abductee comes after the fact of having been an abductee, or it’s in their family line long before the military got involved in their case. It is postulated that the military have a running list of who most abductees are, and then they monitor them or even sheep dip them into their own secret operations under mind control because of their innate abilities. The more psychic and talented you are, the more the military secret government factions come after you like hound dogs. In the former interview I mentioned with the supersoldier named “Zed”, he realized that the military (US secret govt, although it’s really international) made pacts with reptilians who would train these soldiers for not only their own agenda, but then offer them to the military because of some pact having been made.  But the aliens in his case–reptilian/dracos–had the upper hand in terms of the programming and the alien programming superceded the military agenda unbenownst to the military. In Zed’s case he recalled some training scenarios on the dark side of the moon, among other locations and even on the Mars Base working within an organization he called “Earth Defense League” or EDL. In general, what I’ve seen are that alien abductees are used by the military because of abilities such as enhanced psychic abilities, eidetic and photographic memories, bilocation ability, martial arts, telepathic and clairvoyant abilities, etc. These attributes are I believe genetically enhanced or at least conditioned through different kinds of trauma and training in their “secret life”.  According to Zed, he believes that there are military factions who are quite concerned about the malevolent and deceitful behaviors and agenda of the aliens and want to counteract some of this “damage” by training supersoldiers with ablities to offset the more nefarious aspects of the alien agenda. It’s not a black and white issue, and yet in order to deal with the aliens, one must be as adept as a yogi, shaman warrior Jedi to deal with how these aliens can interfere and manipulate. Fighting them with guns and physical combat is not as effective as knowing how to deal with them on these mental, spiritual levels. The frontiers of consciousness and integration of consciousness.

In some of Barbara Bartholic’s work, early on she had noticed that the aliens have a superior way of creating virtual reality scenarios within an abductees experience. For example, they could superimpose a human, or military looking image within an experience to make you think you were dealing with a military person, when in fact it was a reptilian. And I can also say I have interviewed milabs who were in group abductions with others “in a tranced out state” where a cardboard cutout of a reptilian image was being imposed upon them to keep them in line in fear that there was a reptilian being present, when there was not. Or in another milab case, the abductee was lucid enough to see an alien doll figure that was fake within one of her experiences. Both things occur. In the Janice and Alex case in the Love Bite book, the woman described how the aliens could create this virtual reality room almost like a Star Trek Holodeck, to be the internal imagery of the abductees home, but it was actually a white plain, room that was used to be a template for other realities that could be superimposed within the abductees experience. So many of abductees experiences are dreamlike, and I think that the aliens can somehow tap into our memory banks to perceive imagery from our personal lives and use this when doing things while on a ship, underground or in another dimensional reality. One thing that I discovered was that when several abductees shared their dreams, they often found that they had mutually shared dreams with similar if not identical elements, indicating they indeed shared an abduction/virtual reality experience carried out by aliens. The more lucid someone was, the more they could tell what was going on. Derrel Sims had a case of a joint abduction years ago, and found that the most aware abductee could tell how the others were in a trance like state, “acting out what they thought they were seeing or doing”. Amazing really.

9) We know that the aliens are capable of projecting illusions, virtual reality in the minds of abductees. How do we distinguish between genuine and screen memories?

This is something that is a hot topic and is discussed alot amongst milabs. In one of my interviews with Maarit the Scandinavian milab woman, she described virtual reality technology and how she would perceive a flash of light before being immersed into VR. She described the difference between VR and a remote viewing perception. With VR you may not have physical evidence, obviously. Another milab supersoldier who has gone public with his VR experiences is Richard Rogers. He describes typical VR training scenarios.(See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1aVHe39Qac)  His book can be found on Amazon at : http://www.amazon.com/Warriors-Light-Richard-L-Rogers/dp/1463607857

I do think there is an advanced technology which enables the hijack of the persons consciousness into a forced “lucid dream” scenario. Some abduction attempts can be sensed before they can hack into our reality, such as a loud humming or earthquake rumbling sensation that precedes or follows coming back from an abduction. Then there are other types of OBE abductions where it is so subtle, it’s like one minute you are in bed, relaxed and ready to go asleep only to instantaneously find oneself in another reality, like an abduction “lucid dream”.

When I read Carlos Castenda’s, The Art of Dreaming, The Eagles Gift and The Fire Within, I saw descriptions of shamanic dreaming and entering into the “second attention” which was similar to a type of other reality abduction.  Or more accurately, a shifting into another reality by changing ones “assemblage point”. In some of these descriptions the Nagual sorcerer could change his apprentice’s assemblage point, after which the “reality/dimension” was changed and they both were in “another reality” instantaneously, body included. In other words, it was not just a mental experience or astral “abduction” but in fact a real shift into other realities. When I consider these practices in sorcery, I am beginning to think that the aliens or even humans in secret projects–are doing something like this, except with the aid of advanced technology. In these cases, it would actually  be a true physical abduction but it is not always remembered clearly. The Nagual sorcerer who is adept at changing his own assemblage point repeatedly can recall the entire experience however. It would behoove us to enhance our own awareness and lucidity in order to understand abductions and heightened degrees of perception. Shamanic and lucid dreaming is a good place to start.

 10) What are the purposes of the Aliens ?

The aliens agenda  is much like what Dr. Corrado Malanga hypothesizes. To live through us, souled humans in order to live indefinitely through parasiting our “bodies/containers”. These types of aliens would be the ones Malanga describes as corporeal and incorporeal entities who lack a soul component to their being. They may have a mind component or a mind and spirit or maybe just a spirit component, but need to link into our soul essence energy field in our bodies to live through us as parasites. Understood in this way we could see that these forms of entities who lack a soul component are temporal beings. I also believe the aliens are aiming to manipulate our genetics which would enhance the parasitism vulnerability while maintaining enough human DNA to capture the soul essence, yet keep it imprisoned within a fully alien parasitized consciousness. This is what I believe transhumanism is really all about.

There may be other races out there who are soulled and living for the purpose of soul-spiritual evolution just like we do. Some good, bad and all the shades inbetween. But in my view, the true character of a being can be assessed if you can read energy and perceive whether they are parasites or energy vampires. In the former interview with Kailasnath the pranic healer, he was able to discern between the divine soulled energy and what he calls “dark depleting energy” of a truly negative being.

 11) Do you see an evolution in the relationship between them and us or it is a stable situation ?
This is a good question. I see that parasitism is not beneficial for us, and serving them only. Perhaps the alien presence helps us learn about ourselves and can provide the fertilizer for us to evolve spiritually. But to do this we must find ways to defend ourselves against their predation. They are clearly not good for us if they are parasitic predators seeking to consume our soul essence! I do not think it is a stable situation. I see them being able to manipulate others too much to help carry out their agenda. It’s much like what the ancient Gnostics warned us about in the Nag Hammadi Library. They–the archons– infect our minds and cause us to err in our beliefs. Then we carry out activities through these false beliefs. But it’s also true they can parasite and possess our minds and then these people become hosts to carry out their anti human anti life/anti Earth agenda. Transhumanism and a disconnect from our planetary animal mother, Sophia– our source of life and wisdom connection. It seems like a program to keep us looking to outside ET gods rather than staying empathically connected to the Earth and with each other.12) In my book, “Apocalisse Aliena”,  I analyze the apocalyptic messages issued by these entities. The phenomenon was also handled by C. Malanga. What can you tell us about those future events?

I think the future events are partially orchestrated by these EMEs as you call them, so that we believe a narrative which will give it power to actually happen, ie., an apocalypse. So I believe that these entities want us to use our belief and imagination to create a reality they want to happen, which is quite destructive and anti life.

And then there are other beings who may not be ETs/aliens who are other dimensional beings, who may very well know what future trends lie, and can warn sensitives about these trends that are forecasted. These forecasts are perhaps like what we can expect based on what epoch we are in such as the end of the Kali Yuga. It seems we are at the tail end of an epoch or era, where some beings are ready to move on to another kind of experience, rather than be recycled into the same old system we seem to have been stuck in for a very long time. This is a topic that others are considering, such as the akashic reader “Galactic Historian known as Andrew Bartiz. (See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioGxyeyuHco)

I think we as humans need to reclaim our own power and sovereignty back. The conditions on this planet are forcing us to either become our true potential or lose the opportunity. It’s like we are being forced to wake up and be our highest potential or be exterminated as a race through the alien transhumanism agenda.

*Comments by Corvo regarding Dr. Karla Turners comments on end times prophecies by aliens etc.,“I have a comment  about the “End times” story. I’ll cite karla Turner that we deeply respect, in my book I have an extra chapter dedicated to her.From “Taken: Inside the Alien-Human Abduction Agenda” by Karla Turner)“And Pat has been shown scenes of the return of Jesus, accompanied by space ships and aliens, preceding the “bad time on earth” which will destroy many of those who are not rescued.”

“Amy and Polly have been told of a coming “

“Angie’s abductors said that the “filth and evil” in this world will be cleansed as we are subtly changed.”

So Karla asked her higher self for an explanation, this is what she got in a series of dreams:

Esau, the older and hairier brother, they explained, represents the original human species on this planet. Jacob represents the altered product of alien genetic manipulations of that older species. The aliens produced this new variant and then used it to replace the original form. In our current situation, the aliens are once again doing genetic alterations of our species and are once again trying to produce a variant which will be more useful for their purposes and which will supplant us. And again it will be attempted through deception, as Jacob deceived Isaac. This deception, I was told, is being carried out by the aliens through exploitation and manipulation of global events, including weather phenomenon, to make us believe that the planet is in imminent danger of cataclysm and destruction. This is why they impress the idea of coming destruction upon so many abductees, telling then they will have tasks to perform at that time. They want us, as a race, to be so  afraid of this upcoming destruction that when they show themselves openly and offer to save us in some way, we will be willing to take their help,even if it means giving up our birthright, so to speak, which is preeminence on this planet. Like Esau in his hunger, we will say, “What good does it do us to keep our birthright if we’re all going to be destroyed along with the planet? What have we got to lose if we accept alien help, even though that means accepting alien control? Better to survive under subjugation than not at all.”

bold (Corvo)

I think Karla made a a very good summary of the situation.

I know lot of people that is so sick of the current situation that will welcome the good ET/Jesus if/when they come to save us….

I’m not one of those, but many have been involved their whole life in preparation for this Event, with them first and the military later….”

 

A Collection of Milab, Reptilian and Alien Abduction Related Articles from James Bartley and Eve Lorgen

In light of the radio show series I have been doing with Shattering the Matrix Blogtalk Radio with Ari Kopel and Serena this month, I wanted to put together a list of some of the best Milab Articles and Interviews done in the past decade and more by myself and also James Bartley. James Bartley will be joining me and Ari and Serena in a Part 2 of the Milab series radio shows.

I realized that because my web site is now in a Blog format, many of the “oldies but goodies” milab articles and interviews cannot be found unless one does a search on the exact title so they are not always “visible” to newcomers to my web site.

I have been researching and interviewing milabs and alien abductees and other survivors of anomalous trauma since 1996. James Bartley and myself met in San Diego back in 1994-5 while attending San Diego UFO Society and Mufon lectures. We started an abductee support and discussion group out of my home in Fallbrook, CA in the late 90’s shortly after the death of Dr. Karla Turner. Both James and I have known and corresponded with the late Barbara Bartholic and were inspired by the work of Dr. Karla Turner. We learned much from studying the less known aspects of the alien abduction syndrome and milabs, and much of what we learned back then was scoffed at and disregarded within the UFO research community. Much of this still is, but now I think things have changed a bit and more people are finally waking up to the reality of the alien , military and mind control black operation connection to this rabbit hole of a Pandora’s Box. The occult aspects are also prevalent especially when we delve into the reptilian and demonic aspects that unravel in many milabs experiences.

Some articles are by a few other authors or book reviews. I may not share 100% views of all authors nor them with me, but the material is still worth sharing.

Interviews and articles related to Milabs in preparation for Part 2 of Eve Lorgen’s Milab topic with Ari Kopel and Serena on Shattering the Matrix Blogtalk radio show scheduled  Saturday Aug. 24, 2013 9 pm EST. See Details on time and links on the Radio Page.

A Classic: Milabs_ A Pandora’s Box: Interview with Lilu:

http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/military-abduction-milabs-and-reptilians/milabs-a-pandoras-box/

Michael Relfe of the Mars Defense Project:

http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/military-abduction-milabs-and-reptilians/interview-with-michael-and-stephanie-relfe-of-the-mars-records/

Secret Project Superwarrior Gone Rogue: Interview with Jaredhttp://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/military-abduction-milabs-and-reptilians/rogue-supersoldier/

Interview with a Milab Supersoldier Recoverd from Reptilian and military Mind Control: http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/military-abduction-milabs-and-reptilians/interview-with-a-milab-supersoldier-recovered-from-military-and-reptilian-drac-control/

Interview with White Wolf Von Atzingen:

http://evelorgen.com/wp/news/white-wolf-von-atzingen-interview/

Interview with Maarit A Scandinavian Milab:http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/military-abduction-milabs-and-reptilians/interview-with-maarit-a-scandinavian-milab/

http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/military-abduction-milabs-and-reptilians/horus-ra/

 

Aliens as Transdimensional Parasites: http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/alien-abduction/before-and-after-simbad/

Another Relevant Classic by James Bartley and Eve Lorgen:

Unmasking the Disruptors:http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/military-abduction-milabs-and-reptilians/unmasking-the-disruptors/

Reptilian Military, Training and Command Systems in Milab experiencehttp://evelorgen.com/wp/category/articles/military-abduction-milabs-and-reptilians/

Forced Reptilian Baptism Ritual: http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/military-abduction-milabs-and-reptilians/reptilian-abductee-reports-a-forced

James Bartley’s interviews and articles:

http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/military-abduction-milabs-and-reptilians/alien-abductions-in-the-21st-century/

Articles From James Bartley’s Website:

 

 http://www.whale.to/b/bartley_h.html

The Legacy of Barbara Bartholic: http://www.whale.to/c/legacy.html
[2011 Nov] What Would a Reptilian Controlled Planet Look Like? By James Bartley

[2009] A Primer on Military Abductions By James Bartley

My Location Displacement Experience by James Bartley

[2007] A Female Abductee’s Revelations Of Hybrid Infiltration by James Bartley

[2007] Interview with a Male Abductee about Reptilians and Hybrids by James Bartley

UNDERSTANDING THE REPTILIAN MIND By James Bartley

ASTRAL DREAMSCAPE MANIPULATION by James Bartley

ON THE MARCH by James Bartley

Rebuttal to a Reptile in Human Clothing by James Bartley

Grand Strategy Of The Reptilians by James Bartley

Angelia Cardwell Milab: http://evelorgen.com/wp/news/an-interview-with-a-female-milab-angelia-cardwell-by-james-bartley/

Psychopaths and the Reptilian Agenda:

http://evelorgen.com/wp/news/psychopaths-and-the-reptilian-agenda/

A Classic and Humorous Article by James Bartley:

http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/military-abduction-milabs-and-reptilians/alien-abductions-in-the-21st-century/

 

 

 

 

 

James Bartley on MILABs, Reptilians: Interview with Lorien Fenton on Revolution Radio

This is a link to the latest blogtalk interview James Bartley did on Lorien Fenton’s “Fenton Perspective” show July 5, 2013.  He discusses some of the inner dynamics of Milab Mind Control including the mind control exerted upon sleeping milabs. James also discusses the Hybrid Lycan Operatives used by the military…yes literal werewolf/wolfmen some of whom actually speak english and probably other languages and who wear military uniforms. They exist. These entities have been reported for some time at least as far back as the early 1990s but there seems to be an upsurge in reported sightings. I’ve spoken to a number of milabs who have encountered these wolfmen “Lycans.”

Remember the interview also with White Wolf Von Atizingen who has had shapeshifting were wolf experiences within the milab/mind control/occult environment. (http://evelorgen.com/wp/news/white-wolf-von-atzingen-interview/)

James Bartley on Revolution Radio with Lorien Fenton:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TT6IL7W_tw&feature=c4-overview&list=UU4qEAWgw_TY9ITV9gsjbPeg

 

Abductees Discuss Reptilian Military Training, Command, Ritual and Structure

Matt R. article on Reptlians, Occult, Military and Royal Ceremony behaviors:

This is a two part article about several reptilian abductee’s experiences which describe reptilian military training, ceremony, ritual and behaviors. Simon Parkes 2012 AMMACH interview is highlighted where Simon talks about being trained by reptilians within a military command training structure. Matt R. also talks about how reptilians are very concerned with pedigree, bloodlines and genetic ancestry. He alleges he and other abductees are also being genetically altered or treated with some form of reptilian genetic “shots/treatments” which result in changes in their physical and psychological being, such as skin issues, heightened senses and increased aggressiveness.

http://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2013/06/court-of-dragon-king-case-studies-of.html

http://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2013/06/court-of-dragon-king-case-studies-of_15.html

 

 

An Interview with a Female Milab: Angelia Cardwell by James Bartley

This is another excellent interview by James Bartley with a female milab, who reveals much detail into the milab experience. She talks about the occult aspects, magickal training, ET’s, djinn and the entire control system. The milab programs are heavily steeped into the occult ritual aspects, genetically altered bloodlines, ETs and interdimensional and time travel operations.

Excerpt:

“As is the case with countless other milabs, Angelia has had lifelong encounters and interactions with non-human entities, including Greys, Reptilians, the Draco, and the Djinn which some refer to as “the Shadow Beings.” She described having entities placed within her and has observed the process of entities including shadow entities, being installed within other milabs. Angelia observed the milab controllers manipulating the chakra system of milabs in order to open portals and stargates. She described how the controllers regarded milabs as “Magical Tools.” This is due to the fact that humans especially hybrid humans with ET genetic markers are for all intents and purposes, electromagnetic dynamos…power sources for the controllers, human and non-human alike in these deep black programs. This fact is of profound significance. If milabs…

http://theuniversalseduction.com/bartley/22/an-interview-with-angelia-cardwell-a-milab

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The Legacy of Barbara Bartholic by James Bartley

Excellent article by James Bartley talks about things never before mentioned with Barbara’s work, and his own experiences while at conferences where “reptilian energy” ran rampant. Her knowledge of the famed “Heavens Gate Cult”– Marshall Apelwhite, Bo and Peep, and much. much more. He mentions Barbara’s understanding of the “Drama of the Love Obsession” phenomena, also known as the “Alien Love Bite”.

“Alien Abduction Research lost a true pioneer with the passing of Barbara Bartholic. Although Barbara’s work has gone largely unheralded (except amongst the many people she helped) her legacy lives on in the form of cutting edge research amongst her protégés and an understanding amongst serious researchers of the primary role played by the Reptilians in alien abductions. Barbara laid the groundwork for a deeper understanding of the Reptilian Overlordship. Indeed Barbara coined the phrase “Reptilian Overlordship.” Barbara delved deeper than most abduction researchers. She didn’t turn away from confronting or unsettling information. I am proud to say that I was a protégé of Barbara Bartholic. I worked closely with Barbara for many years and was able to gain a better understanding of my own alien abduction experiences through my close relationship with Barbara. In so doing… Continue reading

Truman Cash Avalon Forum Thread

Truman Cash, author of two books, “The Programming of a Planet” and “The Eye of RA” shares many of his insights over the years from several years of memory retrievals from alien and military abductions. He has nearly stopped all of his abductions and has good insights on the global alien agenda.

Truman Cash info on Avalon Forum:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=495271&viewfull=1#post495271

and this:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52786-MATRIX-REVEALED-Analysis-Solutions

A pdf of my original Horus Ra as Archontic Alien Parasite article and related research of Dr. Malanga, Dr. Karla Turner, Barbara Bartholic and James Bartley:

http://www.vigli.org/Avalon/Horus-Ra_as_the_Archontic_Alien_Parasite.pdf